GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THE
JULY 23, 2025 MEETING OF PARKS,
PUBLIC UTILITIES AND TECHNOLOGY
COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER.
ALSO KNOWN AS THE COMMITTEE. I
AM JOYCE HOLLINGSWORTH, CHAIR OF
THE COMMITTEE. PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL.
>> [ ROLL CALL ] THERE ARE FOUR
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT.
>> AWESOME. THANK YOU ,
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA CAME IN HOT
TODAY. THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES,
TODAY WE WILL HOLD A PUBLIC
HEARING ON THE SEATTLE PUBLIC
UTILITIES , LAND USE AND ZONING
FOR SOLID WASTE. WE ARE ALSO
GOING TO HEAR FROM OUR
PHENOMENAL SEATTLE PUBLIC
UTILITIES. I DON'T WANT ANYONE
FIGHTING BETWEEN PUBLIC
UTILITIES AND PARKS. LAND USE
AND ZONING. ALSO, THE PHENOMENAL
PARKS DEPARTMENT ABOUT TWO
DIFFERENT CONCESSION AGREEMENTS.
WE WILL NOW CONSIDER THE AGENDA.
THERE IS NO OBJECTION, THE
AGENDA WILL BE ADOPTED. THE
AGENDA IS ADOPTED. WITH THAT, WE
ARE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT INTO THE
HYBRID PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE RELATED
TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA OR
BE WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE
COMMITTEE. AGAIN, THERE IS A
PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER
ONE, WHICH IS COUNCIL BILL
121005, AND THAT PUBLIC HEARING
WILL BEGIN SHORTLY AFTER THE
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. IF YOUR
COMMENTS RELATE TO ITEM 1 ,
PLEASE HOLD YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL
WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
CLERK, HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE
HAVE SIGNED UP TODAY?
>> CURRENTLY, TWO IN PERSON AND
ONE REMOTE SPEAKER.
>> AWESOME. EVERYONE WILL GET
TWO ME NUTS. -- MINUTES.
>> THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
WILL STARTING WITH IN SPEAKERS
FIRST. IF YOU HAVE NOT
REGISTERED TO SPEAK BUT WOULD
LIKE TO, YOU CAN SIGN UP BEFORE
THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
ON THE COUNCIL WEBSITE. THE LINK
IS LISTED ON TODAY'S AGENDA, OR
BY SIGNING UP ON THE SIGN-UP
SHEET AT THE FRONT OF CHAMBERS.
WHEN SPEAKING BEGIN BY STATING
YOUR NAME IN THE ITEM YOU ARE
ADDRESSING. SPEAKERS WILL HEAR A
CHIME WHEN 10 SECONDS ARE LEFT.
IF SPEAKERS DO NOT END COMMENTS
AT THE END OF THE ALLOTTED TIME,
THE SPEAKER'S MICROPHONE WILL
BE MUTED TO ALLOW US TO CALL AND
THE NEXT PERSON.
>> LET THE RECORD REFLECT WE ARE
JOINED TO PRISON BY
COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS. WE ARE
READY FOR THE FIRST SPEAKER.
>> THE FIRST SPEAKER FOR IN
PERSON PUBLIC, IS MAGGIE
JOHNSON, FOLLOWED BY ALEX
ZIMMERMAN.
>> HELLO, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS
OPPORTUNITY. I AM MAGGIE
JOHNSON. I AM A VOLUNTEER FOR
THE URBAN NATURE GUIDE FOR
SEATTLE PARKS ENVIRONMENTAL
EDUCATION PROGRAM . FIRST OF
ALL, WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO YOU,
THE COUNCIL, AND TO THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE FOR DECIDING OUR PROGRAM
IS PRETTY -- CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT FOR THE YOUTH OF OUR
CITY AND MUST BE SAVED. YOU
INCLUDED FUNDING FOR MAINTAINING
OUR STAFF POSITIONS, NINE STAFF
POSITIONS IN THE SCHOOL LEVY.
BUT WE THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO
KNOW THAT OUR PARKS
ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T SEEM TO
BE ON BOARD. WE UNDERSTAND THAT
OUR CURRENT PROGRAM MANAGER HAS
BEEN INSTRUCTED TO MAKE A WORK
PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR FOR ONLY FOUR
POSITIONS. IT APPEARS THAT PARKS
IS PLANNING TO DIVERT FUNDING
FOR THE FIVE POSITIONS THAT WERE
SPONSORED, APPROVED BY YOU IN
COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS'S LEVY
AMENDMENT FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
WHILE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAS
ASSURED US THAT PARKS SUPPORTS
ITS ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION
PROGRAM, IN FACT, PARKS
CONTINUES TO TRY TO DISMANTLE
IT. PARTS HAS NEVER SHARED WHAT
THEIR ATTITUDE OR PLANS ARE FOR
ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION , NOT
WITH YOU, THE COUNCIL, NOR WITH
AFFECTED STAFF, VOLUNTEERS,
IMMUNITY PARTNERS AND TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF PROGRAM
PARTICIPANTS. I HAVE A REQUEST.
I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T HAVE
DIRECT CONTROL OVER PARKS
OPERATIONS, BUT COULD THIS
COMMITTEE REQUEST A PRESENTATION
FROM PARKS ABOUT THEIR PLANS FOR
ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION ?
SPECIFICALLY, WHAT THEY PLAN TO
DO WITH THE LEVY BUDGET SHOULD
IT PASS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT, WE
HAVE MR. ALEX ZIMMERMAN.
>> VERY APPRECIATE YOU. I AM
READY. MY DIRTY NASTY GESTAPO
PIG. ALEX MILLER. I WANT TO
SPEAK AGENDA NUMBER TWO ABOUT
PARK . FOR MANY YEARS, MANY
YEARS, I TALK SPENDS MONEY FOR
PARKS. THEY SPENT $1 BILLION FOR
PARK. WHY? WHY SPEND BILLION
DOLLARS FOR PARK AND THOUSAND
EMPLOYEE? 1000 EMPLOYEE WHO
WORKED FOR PARK? WHY? TOO MUCH
MONEY? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT
DOESN'T CHANGE. I SAY, WHY
DOESN'T CHANGE? BEFORE WE NOT
FIRE MAYOR, NOTHING WILL BE
CHANGED. VERY CRITICAL. IT IS
ABSOLUTELY NEED MONEY FOR EVERY
PROBLEM . HOMELESS , SOCIAL
SECURITY, DISABLE LIKE ME. WE
NEED MONEY FOR THE PEOPLE, NOT
FOR THE TREE. YOU KNOW WHAT THIS
MEAN? I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THE
RULES. IT IS A PURE
DISCRIMINATORY. IT IS VERY
IMPORTANT. BEFORE WE DON'T
CLAIM US GOVERNMENT FROM PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?
CITIZENS ASSEMBLE FOR 16 YEARS
AND BRING SEATTLE TO TOTAL
COLLAPSE. TOTAL COLLAPSE. I LIVE
HERE FOR 40 YEARS. I SPEAK HERE
FOR 30 YEARS. ANYWAYS. WHO CARE
ABOUT WE NEED CLEAN CITY
TOTALLY. WE HAVE TOO MANY
PROBLEMS. MAYOR HARRELL FOR 16
YEARS AND 40 YEARS. AFTER LAST
WEEK , CAN COUNTRY TAKE AS
CONSTITUTION AND GARBAGE. MUCH
HARDER WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
VIVA
>> REPORTER:, VIVA NEW AMERICAN
REVOLUTION, VIVA COMMON SENSE.
WE ARE NOT IDIOT. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
>> NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO GO
STRAIGHT INTO THE VIRTUAL PUBLIC
COMMENTERS. PLEASE, WHEN YOU'RE
OFF MUTE, PRESS STAR 62 UNMUTE
YOURSELF. YOU CAN GO AHEAD WITH
YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. FIRST, WE
HAVE ADRIAN, FOLLOWED BY ALBERTO
ALVAREZ. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING
HERE. WHEN YOU START TALKING,
THE TIMER WILL START.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, SEATTLE CITY
COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE
PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY. MY NAME IS
ADRIAN. I LIVE IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD OF SEATTLE. I'M
HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO PROTECT
THE MAGNUSON PARK WETLANDS FOR
THE WILDLIFE THAT RELY ON THEM,
AND THE PEOPLE WHO ENJOY THE
PEACE AND QUIET THEY OFFER. THE
PLAN TO BUILD NOISY PICKLEBALL
COURSE ADJACENT TO A BELOVED
WETLAND CREATIVE WITH PUBLIC TAX
DOLLARS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
PLEASE FIND ANOTHER MORE
SUITABLE LOCATION FOR THE
PICKLEBALL COURTS. IN ADDITION,
I JUST WANT TO MENTION I AM A
FORMER URBAN NATURE WITH THE
PARKS DEPARTMENT AND HAVE SEEN
FIRSTHAND HOW IMPORTANT AND IN
-- ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION IS TO
COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I HOPE YOU
WILL FIND THE ENVIRONMENTAL
EDUCATION FUND , SUPPORT THE
FUNDING OF THE ENVIRONMENT
EDUCATION PROGRAMS OF THE PARKS
DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, ADRIAN. NEXT UP WE
HAVE ALBERTO ALVAREZ. ONCE YOU
GET PROMOTED, PLEASE PRESS STAR
SIX, AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND
START WITH YOUR COMMENT. THANK
YOU.
>> THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER
HOLLINGSWORTH, GOLF NEAR SARAH
NELSON'S MILLION-DOLLAR HOME IS
IMPORTANT, BUT FOR OVER 18
MONTHS, CATHY MOORE, DIRECTOR OF
FULLY STAFFED RENTERS COMMISSION
. PROTECTING A GOLF COURSE FOR
THE WEALTHY ON 145th STREET WAS
SO WORRIED ABOUT. SURE. BUT
THOUSANDS OF RENTERS LIKE ME ARE
SILENCED, AND EVEN THREATENED,
WITH A ROLLBACK. BUSINESS GROUPS
GET ALL THE ATTENTION THEY NEED
TO RUN A CONCESSION STAND ON THE
BEACH FOR THE TWO MONTHS OF
SUMMER WE HAVE IN THIS REGION.
TODAY WHEN THE COUNCIL WAS SET
TO VOTE AND TAKE ACTION TO
SECURE FUNDING FOR HOUSING AND
APPOINT THE MUCH-NEEDED RENTER
COMMISSION, SARAH NELSON AND ROB
DECLINED TO ATTEND. WE DEMAND AN
APOLOGY FROM BOTH . A FULL
EXPLANATION FROM NELSON AND
SAKA. A FAST-TRACK CORRECTION TO
THIS BETRAYAL. THIS WEEK, TODAY,
NOW, WOULD BE EVEN BETTER. TAKE
ACTION , YOU IGNORANT AND LAZY .
>> THANK YOU FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
TODAY. THAT'S GOING TO CONCLUDE
OUR PUBLIC COMMENT . AND NOW, WE
WILL MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COUNCIL BILL 121005, -- I HAVE
TO ASK THE CLERK. I AM READING.
I WILL READ AGENDA NUMBER ONE
INTO THE RECORD. AN ORDINANCE
RELATING TO LAND USE AND ZONING;
UPDATING AND CLARIFYING
REQUIREMENTS FOR SOLID WASTE
STORAGE, STAGING AREAS, AND
ACCESS FOR RESIDENTIAL,
COMMERCIAL, AND INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT FOR PUBLIC HEARING,
BREATHING, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE
VOTE . AS PRESIDING OFFICER, I
AM NOW OPENING THE PUBLIC
HEARING ON COUNCIL BILL 121005.
HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE
SIGNED UP TODAY?
>> WE HAVE ONE PERSON SPEAKER
AND ONE REMOTE SPEAKER.
>> AWESOME. OKAY. PLEASE READ
THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC
HEARING.
>> SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN
THE ORDER OF REGISTRATION. THE
PUBLIC HEARING REGISTRATION WILL
REMAIN OPEN UNTIL THE CONCLUSION
OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING. THE SAME
PUBLIC COMMENT RULES APPLY TO
THIS PUBLIC HEARING. A 10 SECOND
CHIME WILL BE NOTICE IT IS TIME
TO WRAP UP COMMENTS. SPEAKERS
MICS WILL BE AT THE A LOT OF
TIME. PUBLIC COMMENT RELATED TO
COUNCIL BILL 121005 IS ONLY
BEING ACCEPTED AT THIS PUBLIC
HEARING. SPEAKERS ASKED TO BEGIN
COMMENTS BY STATING THEIR NAME,
AND EACH SPEAKER WILL BE
PROVIDED TWO MINUTES. IN PERSON
SPEAKER IS ALEX ZIMMERMAN.
>> I AM READY. MY DIRTY NASTY
GESTAPO PIG. MY NAME ALEX
ZIMMERMAN. I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT
ZONING. I COME TO THIS PLACE FOR
MANY YEARS , SPEAK THOUSAND TIME
. AND NOTHING CHANGED. YOU
DON'T KNOW HOW ZONING WITH
LAND. IT WORSE. EXACTLY WHAT
HAPPENED. WE NEED CLEAN THIS
CHAMBER FROM EVERYBODY LIKE
MAYOR HARRELL, WHO 16 YEARS
DOING NOTHING.
>> STOP THE TIME. YOU HAVE TO
DIRECT COMMENTS AT THE PUBLIC
HEARING WE'RE HAVING FOR THE
SOLID WASTE RIGHT NOW.
>> IT IS LAND USE.
>> THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING FOR
THE SOLID WASTE BILL THAT WE ARE
DOING.
>> I'M SORRY. YOU TOLD ME
NUMBER ONE.
>> IT IS NOT ABOUT ZONING.
>> LAND AND ZONING. IT IS ABOUT
SOLID WASTE, STAGING AREAS AND
CLARIFY REQUIREMENTS.
>> NO, LAND AND ZONING .
>> MR. ZIMMERMAN, YOU HAVE 90
SECONDS TO STAY ON TRACK.
>> I DO UNDERSTAND. SHE TOLD ME.
>> IT DOESN'T MATTER. I AM THE
CHAIR, AND I AM TELLING YOU WHAT
IT IS ABOUT. YOU'RE GOING TO
TALK ABOUT SOLID WASTE. I'M NOT
GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU ABOUT THE
MAYOR AND 16 YEARS AND ALL THAT
STUFF.
>> IT'S ABOUT WHAT HE DOING.
>> KEEP HIS TIME RUNNING,
PLEASE.
>> BOSS NUMBER ONE. NOTHING
HAPPEN . SEATTLE LIFE WORSE AND
WORSE. WHO RESPONSIBLE NUMBER
ONE? MAYOR. EVERYBODY KNOWS
THIS. LOOK TRUMP. HE NOT A
MILLIONAIRE, HE'S A
BILLIONAIRE, BUT HE IS THINKING
ABOUT PEOPLE. FOR 16 YOUR I KNOW
HIM.
>> STOP TIME. STOPPED THE TIME.
>> OKAY.
>> THERE IS NO PROBLEM.
>> NO PROBLEM. FORGOT ABOUT HIM.
GIVE ME ONE MINUTE. I WILL
SPEAK. ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. I
EXPLAINED TO YOU WHY. LAST WEEK
COUNCIL MAKE A DECISION ABOUT
REFUGE.
>> WE ARE DONE. YOU ARE ALL OVER
THE PLACE. WE ARE DONE. [
OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] YOU HAVE
BEEN WARNED. PLEASE CUT HIS MIC
OFF.
>> TOO MANY PROBLEMS.
>> YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. NOW
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO LEAVE.
YOU'RE NOT ON SUBJECT. I CAN
STAY IN THE GUIDELINES. I CAN
LISTEN TO YOU STAY STUFF. BUT
STAY IN THE GUIDELINES. THANK
YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
BROUGHT S. -- GRACIAS. DO WE
HAVE ANYMORE PUBLIC COMMENTERS?
>> REMOTE SPEAKERS ARE NOT
PRESENT.
>> ANYONE ONLINE? OKAY. AWESOME.
THANK YOU. SO NOW, THAT
CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING AND
HAVING TO NAVIGATE THAT WITH ME.
THERE IS NOT -- EXCUSE ME. NOW
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW
CLOSED. THANK YOU, AND WELCOME
GUESTS. LET'S PLEASE HAVE OUR
FIRST PRESENTATION COME UP TO
THE TABLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALWAYS GOOD TIMES IN CHAMBERS.
WE HAVE FUN IN HERE. YES. YOU
CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE
RECORD AND BEGIN.
>> I AM ANDREY LEE, GENERAL
MANAGER CEO FOR SEATTLE PUBLIC
UTILITIES.
>> ANGELA WALLACE, DEVELOPMENT
REVIEW SUPERVISOR SPU SOLID
WASTE.
>> GORDON, SDCI LAND USE
CODEVELOPMENT.
>> COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF.
>> WE ARE READY.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> WE WILL GET A LITTLE HELP
HERE WITH THE PRESENTATION. NO
WORRIES.
>> I WILL LEAD OFF. THANK YOU,
CHAIR HOLLINGSWORTH AND MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE. TODAY WE ARE
HERE TO DISCUSS THE STORAGE
REQUIREMENTS FOR GARBAGE,
RECYCLING AND FOOD AND YARD
WASTE CONTAINERS, WHICH TO
RESIDE IN THE CITY'S LAND USE
CODE. THESE PROVISIONS EXIST TO
ENSURE THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT
AND APPROPRIATE ON-SITE STORAGE
OF GARBAGE AND RECYCLING
CONTAINERS , AND EFFICIENT
COLLECTION SERVICES FOR NEW
BUILDINGS. THESE REQUIREMENTS
HAVE NOT BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY
UPDATED IN MORE THAN A DOZEN
YEARS, AND AS YOU KNOW, IN THE
LAST 12 YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN
CONSIDERABLE CHANGE AND GROWTH
IN MULTIFAMILY AND TOWNHOME
HOUSING. WE ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO SEE THAT CHANGE
OCCURRING IN THE CITY. WE ARE
HERE TODAY WITH LEGISLATION THAT
WOULD UPDATE THE SOLID WASTE
ORIGIN ACCESS REGULATIONS FOR
THE CITY. WITH ME TODAY IS
ANGELA WALLACE, OUR DEVELOPMENT
REVIEW SUPERVISOR AND SPU SOLID
WASTE PLANNING PROGRAM
MANAGEMENT DIVISION. GORDON FROM
LAND USE DIVISION TO BRIEF YOU
ON THE LEGISLATION. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, EVERYONE. LIKE TO
SEE SOME OF YOU IN PRISON.
THANKS FOR REPRESENTING US AS
ANDREW STATED, WE SEEK TO UPDATE
THIS CODE SO THAT WE CAN MEET A
FEW IMPORTANT NEEDS IN THE CITY
. THE CITY IS GROWING. WE HAVE
DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS CHANGING ,
AND UPDATING THE SECTION OF LAND
USE CODE WILL MAKE SURE WE CAN
FIT THE CONTAINERS WE NEED FOR
TOWNHOMES, MENTAL HOUSING,
MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND MORE,
AND MAKE SURE OUR COLLECTION
VEHICLES CAN SUCCESSFULLY GET TO
THOSE PLACES. EVEN, PERHAPS,
MORE IMPORTANTLY IN SOME WAYS,
THIS UPDATE WILL PROVIDE A GREAT
DEAL MORE CLARITY FOR ARCHITECTS
AND DEVELOPERS AS THEY PLAN
EARLY AND OFTEN FOR SOLID WASTE,
AS I LIKE TO TELL THEM. WE WILL
GO THROUGH SOME EXAMPLES TODAY
OF HOW WE'RE CLARIFYING THIS
VERY OUTDATED CODE SECTION.
FINALLY, WE ARE PROPOSING TO
IMPLEMENT SOME VERY IMPORTANT
SAFETY STANDARDS FOR THE SOLID
WASTE INDUSTRY THAT WE HAVE HAD
PRETTY GOOD COMPLIANCE WITHIN
THE CITY, BUT THEY NEED TO BE
CLEAR FOR DEVELOPERS AS THEY
PLAN THEIR BUILDINGS. THIS IS
THE PARKS PUBLIC UTILITIES
TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE, NOT THE
LAND USE COMMITTEE. I WILL
GESTATE FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT
WHAT THIS CODE SECTION IS. SMC
23.54.040 IS LAND USE CODE. MY
TRUSTEE LAND USE EXPERT HERE,
GORDON, WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER
QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
THIS IS THE CODE SECTION THAT
SAYS, HEY, YOU'VE GOT SOLID
WASTE NEEDS ON YOUR PROPERTY,
AND HERE IS HOW MUCH STORAGE
AREA NEED AND HOW WE CAN GET
YOUR CONTAINERS. IT IS GOVERNED
BY DEPARTMENT OF CONSTRUCTION
AND INSPECTIONS, BUT SPU SOLID
WASTE PROVIDES MEANINGFUL AND
PRETTY EXTENSIVE SUBJECT MATTER
REVIEW OF NEW PERMITS FOR NEW
BUILDINGS AND BUILDINGS BEING
SIGNIFICANTLY RENOVATED. -- SO
WE CAN MAKE SURE ALL OF THE
PROPERTIES ARE MET FOR SOLID
WASTE, INCLUDING REVIEW OF TYPE
ONE DECISIONS. WE WILL TALK A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. BUT THERE
ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO MODIFY THE
CODE. THOSE REMAIN IN THE CODE
PROPOSAL. WE ARE THE PRIMARY
GUIDANCE TO SDCI ON ALLOWING
MODIFICATIONS TO BE FLEXIBLE.
OKAY. A COUPLE MORE ITEMS ABOUT
BACKGROUND BEFORE WE DIVE INTO
THE CONTENT. BECAUSE THIS IS AN
IMPORTANT LAND USE ISSUE, IT IS
VERY IMPORTANT TO COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND
ARCHITECTS. WE INTERVIEWED SEVEN
SEATTLE-BASED ARCHITECTURAL AND
DESIGN FIRMS OVER THE PAST
COUPLE OF YEARS. THESE ARE LARGE
AND MEDIUM DEVELOPERS , LOTS OF
NAMES YOU HAVE PROBABLY HEARD
OF, AND WE TOOK THEIR INPUT AND
CORRECT -- INCORPORATED A LOT TO
THIS CODE. WE ALSO BRIEFLY
MAYOR'S HOUSING SUBCABINET, OH,
GOSH, I JUST FORGOT, THE HOUSING
WORKGROUP. I THINK I SAID THAT
WRONG. APOLOGIES. MASTER
BUILDERS ASSOCIATION A COUPLE OF
TIMES. WE HAVE ALSO OFFERED
BRIEFINGS TO THE OTHER GROUPS
LISTED ON THE SCREEN WHO JUST
HAPPENED TO NOT TAKE US UP ON
THAT OFFER AT THAT TIME. IN
ADDITION, WE PUBLISHED FOR NAIOP
FOR NOTICE IN MARCH AND RECEIVED
NO COMMENTS. FINALLY, WE SHARED
A VERY LATE COMPLETE DRAFT OF
THIS ORDINANCE WITH THE
DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY , ABOUT 25
DIFFERENT MEMBERS FROM DIFFERENT
ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE CITY,
AND RECEIVED SOME QUESTIONS BACK
AND RESOLVE THOSE QUESTIONS WITH
DEVELOPERS. WE THEN RECEIVED
THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS ORDINANCE
, OR WE RECEIVE SORT OF NEUTRAL
COMMENTS, LOOKS GOOD, OR IN MOST
CASES, OF THIS 25 FOLKS WE
REACHED OUT TO, JUST NO COMMENT.
OKAY. NOW THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED
YOU WITH BACKGROUND, WE CAN DIVE
INTO ACTUALLY THE TOPICS WE ARE
HOPING TO IMPACT. THIS FIRST
CATEGORY IS REALLY SUPPORTING
CHANGES IN ZONING AND HOUSING
DENSITY , IN PARTICULAR, IN
SEATTLE. WE KNOW WE HAVE MIDDLE
HOUSING HERE NOW , AND COMING
MORE, HOPEFULLY, AS REBUILD THE
HOUSE AND WE NEED. ONE OF THE
IMPORTANT THINGS THIS CODE MM IT
WILL DO IS GIVE US THE PROPER
AMOUNT OF SPACE ON PRIVATE
PROPERTY TO ACTUALLY STORE THE
RECYCLE CONTAINER. YOU SHOULD
ALL JUST THINK ABOUT YOUR
BELOVED BIG BLUE BEEN AT YOUR
HOUSE THAT YOU SEE IN THIS
IMAGE. THE CODE HAS BEEN
INCORRECT FOR 16 YEARS , AND IT
IS SAID WE ONLY NEED A LITTLE
TWO FOOT BY SIX FOOT SPOT TO PUT
THESE CONTAINERS. BEAR WITH ME.
I KNOW THIS IS GETTING INTO THE
WEEDS. IT IS REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE
OF US FIXING THE CODE. THAT
RECYCLE CONTAINER IS LARGER THAN
TWO FEET IN BOTH DIMENSIONS. IT
NEEDS TO HAVE FEET, APPEAR
MINIMUM, TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT
A DENSE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT,
ROWHOUSE ARE MIDDLE HOUSING CAN
ACTUALLY FIT THEY NEED. WE HAVE
PROPOSED THE ADDITIONAL SIX
INCHES, WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT
COMMUNITY SUPPORT AFTER A LOT OF
DISCUSSION WITH THEM. I'M PROUD
TO BRING THAT LITTLE FIXED TO
THE CODE. SECONDLY, WE ARE
INCLUDING ALL ZONES IN THIS
CODE. PREVIOUSLY, SOME
RESIDENTIAL ZONES AND INDUSTRIAL
ZONES WERE EXCLUDED FROM THE
CODE. THAT MAKES NO SENSE. WE
SHOULD HAVE EQUITY ACROSS ZONES
AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY CAN
STORE SOLID WASTE CARDS REQUIRED
BY SOLID WASTE CODE. SO WE
PROPOSED ALL ZONES BE INCLUDED.
THIRD, I MENTIONED WE HAVE ADDED
THAT ADDITIONAL SIX INCHES OF
SPACE. THAT DOES NOT MEAN
THERE'S NOT FLEXIBILITY. WE DO
HAVE FLEXIBILITY. WE
SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN THIS
REVISION OF THE CODE THAT DENSE
DEVELOPMENTS LIKE MIDDLE
HOUSING, LIKE TOWNHOMES, CAN
CHOOSE TO CONSOLIDATE THEIR
SOLID WASTE STORAGE AREA. AND
THAT, SPU WORKS WITH THEM TO
CHANGE UP THE SIZE AND QUANTITY
OF CARTS TO GET ALL THE VOLUME
NEEDS MET, BUT TO DO SO IN A
MORE EFFICIENT WAY. SO
DEVELOPERS CAN ACTUALLY NOW VERY
CLEARLY WITHIN THE CODE REQUEST
US TO REVIEW A SHARED SOLID
WASTE STORAGE AREA FOR THESE
DENSE TOWNHOME AND OTHER TYPES
OF DEVELOPMENTS. AND FINALLY, ON
THIS SLIDE, AGAIN, GETTING TO
THE IMAGE YOU ARE SEEING, THIS
CODE WILL HELP US FURTHER
PREVENT ANY KIND OF RIGHT-OF-WAY
CONFLICTS WITH SETTING OUT
CARDS, IN PARTICULAR. AND ALSO,
DUMPSTERS. CARDS ARE THE PLASTIC
CONTAINERS YOU SEE. YOU SEE
THERE KIND OF SPILLING OVER ONTO
THE SIDEWALK. WE DON'T WANT
THAT. THIS CODE CLARIFIES THE
RELATIONSHIP THAT SPU, SDCI AND
SDOT HAVE TOGETHER TO REVIEW
WHEN CARTS NEED TO BE STAGED OUT
IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LIKE THAT.
IN PARTICULAR, THAT ALSO
PROTECTS STREET TREES. WE KNOW
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE STREET
TREES IN PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WILL WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
PLANNING REALLY WELL WITH THOSE
STREET TREES, CARTS, TEMPORARY
BIKE PARKING AND ALL THE OTHER
DEMANDS ON OUR PLANTING STRIPS,
ESSENTIALLY. OKAY. FINAL CONTENT
SLIDE. WE ARE CLARIFYING THE
CODE. ONE PRIMARY WAY WE ARE
DOING THAT IS ACTUALLY TO
PROVIDE DEFINITIONS. THERE WERE
A LOT OF TERMS THROWN AROUND IN
THIS CODE WITH NO DEFINITIONS.
WE HAVE NOW PROVIDED DEFINITIONS
FOR THINGS LIKE A COLLECTION
AREA. A LOT OF CONFUSION ON THE
OUTSET FOR DESIGNERS ABOUT WHAT
A COLLECTION LOCATION MIGHT BE
VERSUS A STAGING AREA. WE HAVE
CLARIFIES THOSE. WE ALSO
CLARIFIED WHEN THEY CAN BE THE
SAME THING, WHICH HELPS FOLKS
OUT IN THEIR DESIGN. WE PROVIDED
REALLY GOOD DEFINITIONS. THOSE
DEFINITIONS ALSO ALIGN WITH
SOLID WASTE CODE. BUT IT IS
IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE
LAND USE CODE, BECAUSE THAT IS
WHERE DESIGNERS GO TO BUILD
BUILDINGS. THEY DON'T GO TO
SOLID WASTE CODE TO BUILD THEIR
BONUS. SECONDLY, I MENTIONED
EARLIER, WE HAVE SAFETY
PARAMETERS WE HAVE BEEN
IMPLEMENTING FOR YEARS AND YEARS
ASKING OF DEVELOPERS FOR YEARS
AND YEARS, BUT NOW WE HAVE MADE
IT CLEAR BY PUTTING THEM IN THE
CODE. TRUCK ACCESS IS ONE.
ANOTHER INSTANCE OF WHERE THE
CODE WAS INCORRECT BECAUSE OF HE
ONLY NEEDED 10 FEET OF, THE
TRUCKS ARE OVER 10 FEET WIDE.
TRULY THE PYRAMID. THESE TRUCKS
AND DRIVERS A SKILL, BUT THEY
NEED AT LEAST 12 FEET TO GET A
VEHICLE THROUGH AN APPROACHING
THINGS LIKE DUMPSTERS. SO WE
PROPOSED TO FIX THAT. PEDESTRIAN
AND DRIVER SAFETY. THE BIG THING
HERE WAS THAT THE CODE WAS
CONFUSING ABOUT THE KIND OF
GRADE OR SLOPE YOU CAN PLACE,
SAY, A HEAVY DUMPSTER ON. WE
HAVE CLARIFIED THAT. NOW IT IS
CRYSTAL CLEAR. IF IT IS A SMALL
TWO ARE DUNSTER, IT CAN GO ON UP
TO 6% RATE. BASICALLY ANYTHING
OTHER THAN THAT, NEEDS TO BE ON
CLOSE TO LEVEL GRADE. WE HAVE
GIVEN OPPORTUNITY FOR UP TO 2%
IN THE CODE. WE KNOW SEATTLE IS
A HILLY PLACE. AND THAT, THIS
PICTURE, I THINK THIS IS KIND OF
FUN. WHAT IS SHOWING YOU IS A
BIG ROLL OFF DUMPSTER. THAT IS
ANOTHER DEFINITION WE PROVIDED
IN THE CODE. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS
WHAT THAT IS. THIS IS SHOWING A
VERY SKILLED DRIVER TRYING TO
SERVICE THIS VERY TALL, LARGE,
HEAVY COMPACTED DUMPSTER IN JUST
13 FEET OF OVERHEAD CLEARANCE.
OUR TRUCKS, THAT TRUCK YOU WERE
SEEING THERE, IT REALLY DOES
REQUIRE 14 FEET OVERHEAD
MINIMUM. THIS DRIVER FINDS A WAY
TO DO IT, BUT IT IS INEFFICIENT
AND TAKES MORE TIME AND IS NOT
SAFE. YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOWS
RIGHT ABOUT THAT OVERHEAD
CLEARANCE BANNER ON THE ROLLUP
DOOR. THAT IS A UNIT. WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT DRIVER HAS THE
SPACE THEY NEED TO DO THIS
PROPERLY AND NOT CAUSE ANY KIND
OF DAMAGE. THEY ARE VERY GOOD.
DON'T GET ME WRONG. THEY ARE
WONDERFUL, BUT WE NEED TO GIVE
PROPER SPACE FOR THINGS LIKE
SOLID WASTE TRUCKS. OKAY. WITH
THAT, MY FINAL INFORMATION FOR
YOU IS THAT, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE
DEVELOPERS ' SUPPORT, WE HAVE D
SUPPORT FROM SDCI. WE PARTNERED
UP AND DOWN WITH ALL THE RIGHT
GROUPS AND SDCI, AS WELL AS
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION .
WE ARE PROUD TO BRING THIS TO
YOU TODAY AND HOPE WE HAVE YOUR
SUPPORT. HAPPY TO ANSWER
QUESTIONS NOW. THANK YOU.
>> AWESOME. THANK YOU. I WOULD
LIKE TO DEFER -- THANK YOU FOR
THE PRESENTATION. DEFERRED TO
CENTRAL STAFF.
>> THEY CAN INTERPRET AS WE HAVE
ANY COMMENTS TODAY. CENTRAL
STAFF HAS REVIEWED IT. I WORKED
WITH THE TEAM TO HAVE THEM TAKE
A PEEK AT IT AS WELL. NO ISSUES
TO BRING TO YOUR CONCERN TODAY.
THANK YOU.
>> AWESOME. THANK YOU. WOULD
LOVE TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS
FROM COLLEAGUES. IF YOU HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS, I SEE COUNCILMEMBER
KETTLE, YOU ARE FIRST, FOLLOWED
BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT NELSON.
>> THANK YOU , EVERYONE . OF
COURSE, OUR OWN MR. GOOD NIGHT.
VICKI SO MUCH FOR COMING IN THE
PRESENTATION. I JUST HAVE A FEW
QUESTIONS AS WE WENT THROUGH THE
BRIEFING. ONE, YOU MENTIONED THE
OUTRAGE AND DEVELOPMENT
COMMUNITY TO INCLUDE ARCHITECTS
AND DESIGN AS WELL. WAS THERE
ANY OUTREACH DONE TO THE
RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES TO GET
THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON SOME OF THE
CHALLENGES THAT MAY EXIST NOW,
OR AS YOU NOTED IN YOUR
BREATHING, WHICH IS REALLY
IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE FORWARD
WITH THE COMPANY HAS A PLAN?
>> YEAH, NO DIRECT OUTREACH TO
RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. WE
POSTED THE LEGISLATION ON OUR
WEBSITE, SPU . WE ALSO, MY BOSS
, IS THE MANAGER OF OUR SOLID
WASTE INSPECTION STEAM. WE SEE
FIRST-HAND EVERY DAY COMMENTS
FROM CUSTOMERS ABOUT WHAT THEY
NEED. I THINK ALL THE FIXES WE
PROPOSED WILL BENEFIT RESIDENTS,
AS WELL AS THE CITY AND OUR
COLLECTION CONTRACTORS AND
DEVELOPERS UPFRONT AS THEY BUILD
. BUT NO DIRECT OUTREACH TO
RESIDENTS. OKAY. --
>> OKAY. THE COMPLAINTS AND SO
FORTH IS A DIFFERENT WAY OF
TACKLING THAT. I WAS GOING TO
OFFER -- I HAVE MY DISTRICT 7
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL, WHICH IS A
COUNCIL OF WITH A GREAT AMOUNT
OF OUTREACH. THEY ARE VERY QUICK
TO PROVIDE INPUT ON A WHOLE HOST
OF ISSUES. IF WE WERE TO GO OUT
TO THEM ON A QUESTION RELATED TO
THIS, I'M SURE YOU WILL GET
SOME INTERESTING FEEDBACK, IF
YOU NEED IT IN ADDITION TO THE
VARIOUS ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT
UP DURING THE COURSE OF REGULAR
SERVICE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I WILL MENTION THE COMP PLAN.
I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS
INDEPENDENT OF THIS BRIEFING AS
PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NOW, THERE WILL BE AN AMENDMENT
TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLED
PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT. ONE OF
THE PARTS OF THAT IS, IN
ADDITION TO GROWING OUR PUBLIC
SAFETY ELEMENT, YOU KNOW, FIRE
THE PERMIT, POLICE DEPARTMENT AS
WE GROW AS A CITY, ANOTHER
PIECE, PARTICULARLY FOR FIRE
WITH LADDER TRUCKS AND FIRE
ENGINE, IS THE ABILITY TO
MANEUVER IN OUR CITY IN THE
STATE STREETS AND THE ALLEYS IN
THIS CONVERSATION, I'VE OFTEN
BROUGHT UP, BECAUSE I SEE
GARBAGE TRUCK, ICY -- I SEE A
COMPOST TRUCK AND RECYCLING
TRUCK , TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THOSE VEHICLES, AS YOU NOTED,
NEED SPACE. DO YOU FIND OUR
ALLEYS ARE SUFFICIENT ? THE
SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION IS,
AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT, AS PART
OF THE COMPANY HAS A PLAN, OF
HAVING , LIKE, SIDE YARD
ADJUSTMENTS, FLEX ABILITY IN
TERMS OF THE SETBACKS FOR THE
COMPANY THE PLAN. I HAVE
MENTIONED THE BACKYARD , ONLY AS
IT RELATES TO NOT CROWDING THE
ALLEY. THEREFORE, NOT CROWDING
THE SPU TRUCKS. BY THE WAY, FIRE
ENGINES AND LADDER TRUCKS
BECAUSE THAT SOMETHING YOU HAVE
LOOKED AT? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU
HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH
OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CITY?
>> GENERALLY, THE ALLEYS ARE
SUFFICIENT IN THE CITY. THERE
ARE MANY EXAMPLES OF TROUBLESOME
ALLEYS AS WELL. ALLEY WIDTH IS
NOT TYPICALLY THE CHALLENGE . IF
THE FIRE TRUCK TO GET THROUGH,
WE CAN GET THROUGH. SO THAT'S
GREAT. WE LIKE THAT. SPU WOULD
HAPPILY SUPPORT , I WOULD SAY,
OR PARTNER OR EDITING, LET'S
ENTERTAIN, SINCE MY GENERAL
MANAGER IS SITTING HERE, THE
IDEA OF ALLEYS BEING BETTER
MAINTAINED IN THE CITY.
>> TO INCLUDE TREES THAT
>> BETTER MAINTAINED TO ALLOW
ACCESS AND BE PAVED OR ASPHALT.
>> PAVED. OKAY. SUMMER NOT.
>> CORRECT.
>> I WILL ADMIT I ANNUALLY PRUNE
OUR LILAC SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT
THE DRIVERS.
>> THANK YOU. MY BOSS'S TEAM
WILL SEND YOU A TRIP YOUR ALLEY
TREES LETTER IF YOU DON'T. I
HAVE GOTTEN THEM IN THE PAST.
ONE OR TWO. THAT'S IT.
>> COUNCILMEMBER, IF I MAY ADD,
ALLEYS TO POSE AN ISSUE FOR US.
I'M LOOKING AT COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA BECAUSE THE U DISTRICT IS
PRIMARY ON OUR ARREST. FROM AND
ACCESS -- OUR LIST. FROM AN AXIS
PERSPECTIVE, WE GENERALLY TRY TO
FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK IF
THERE ACCESS RESTRICTIONS. WE
HAVE THINGS CALLED STICKER
SERVICES FOR THE COLLECTION
COMPANY WILL ACTUALLY HAVE A
SMALLER VEHICLE THAT WILL GO AND
COLLECT AND BRING IT TO THE
LARGER VEHICLE, IN A SENSE, OR
DIRECTLY TO THE TRANSFER
STATION. THAT IS NOT OUR
PREFERENCE, BECAUSE IT IS NOT
EFFICIENT. HAVING STANDARDS IS
REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL. THIS
LEGISLATION, UNFORTUNATELY,
DOESN'T DEAL WITH THAT. ARE
PRIMARILY DEALS WITH ON THE
SITE, LIKE IN TERMS OF THE
ACTUAL BUILDING, ACCESS AND
ENTRY POINTS. BUT IT IS
SOMETHING WE ARE CONSTANTLY
MINDFUL OF.
>> YOU KNOW, BY THE WAY, NOT
ONLY AS CHAIR HOLLINGSWORTH THE
CHAIR THIS COMMITTEE, SHE IS
ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE SPECIAL
SELECT COMMITTEE ON THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF THERE IS
OPPORTUNITY STASH MY OFFICE WILL
BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HEAR FROM
YOU REGARDING, HEY, IF THERE'S
ANYTHING TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE
-- IT'S ALL ABOUT HAVING A
FUNCTIONAL CITY GOVERNMENT,
FUNCTIONAL CITY. WHAT I DON'T
WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN, AND I
USUALLY COME AT THIS FROM A
PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, BUT I
ALSO KNOW IT IS POTENTIALLY AN
ISSUE FOR SPU, THE ABILITY FOR
THEIR TRUCKS TO GET IN. THIS
ALSO INCLUDES THE SLOPE PIECE.
THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I WILL
ADD THAT I AM ON THE LAST HIGH
GROUND WHERE I LIVE. I SEE THE
TRUCKS NAVIGATE THE SLOPE TO MY
AND HOW THEY BACK IN. I MEAN, IT
IS A FEAT OF EXTREME SKILL FOR
THEM TO GET THESE TRUCKS BACK
INTO WHAT IS, MY CASE, A
DEAD-END ALLEY. I WANT TO
COMMEND THEM, WHOEVER MAYBE
HERE, FOR THAT TOO. AND THE
SLOPES PIECE IS REALLY
IMPORTANT. THAT NEEDS TO BE
ADDRESSED. MY LAST QUESTION IS,
WE PASSED A BILL EARLIER THIS
YEAR . IN SOME WAYS, THIS
QUESTION IS TOO LATE. I PUT IN
AN AMENDMENT RELATED TO DESIGN
RECENT VIEW HOLIDAY FOR
DOWNTOWN. I WANTED TO BRING UP
DOWNTOWN. DOWNTOWN IS VERY
DIFFERENT FROM THE
MID-RESIDENTIAL AREAS. WE ARE A
REGIONAL CENTER HERE. WE HAVE
THREE REGIONAL CENTERS, PLUS 4.
IS SO, IT IS VERY DIFFERENT
THERE COMPARED TO NEIGHBORHOOD
AREAS LIKE QUEEN ANNE AND
MAGNOLIA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE
CITY. WE HAVE THIS DESIGN REVIEW
HOLIDAY FOR DOWNTOWN. IN THERE,
I HAD AN AMENDMENT THAT PULLED
OUT LOADING DOCKS. WE HAVE TO
ENSURE THE LOADING DOCKS ARE TO
CODE AND DONE FOR COMMERCIAL AND
RESIDENTIAL LOADING DOCKS. AND
SO, I SEE YOUR SLY -- YOUR SEPA
ON, AND WONDERING IF IT HAS 14
FEET OF CLEARANCE VERSUS 13 FEE.
I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
IS THIS A CONCERN FOR YOU IN
TERMS OF NOT THINKING ABOUT THE
RESIDENTIAL AREAS, BUT FOR THE
RESIDENTIAL AREAS OF DOWNTOWN,
UPTOWN, SOUTH LAKE UNION,
BELLTOWN . HOW DOES THAT PLAY IN
YOUR ABILITY ? MAYBE THIS IS
SOMETHING WE CAN DO WITH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
>> I SHOULD'VE CLARIFIED WHEN I
SAID THIS OPTION OF AN OVERHEAD
CLEARANCE FOR A SOLID WASTE
DUMPSTER IS PURELY AN OPTION FOR
DEVELOPERS IF THEY CHOOSE THIS
STYLE OF SERVICE WHERE WE BACK
INTO THE PROPERTY. IF THEY WERE
TO CHOOSE THAT, OUR SOLID WASTE
ACCESS WOULD NEED THAT MINIMUM
14 OVERHEAD CLEAR. WITH REGARD
TO ZONING AND LOADING DOCK
REQUIREMENTS, I WOULD HAVE TO
DEFER TO SDCI.
>> I THINK THE MAIN POINT WOULD
BE THAT THERE IS LOADING DOCK
AREA REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN
SOLID WASTE AREA REQUIREMENTS
SEPARATELY. BOTH WOULD NEED TO
BE FULFILLED. I TAKE YOUR POINT
ABOUT SPECIFICATIONS, BUT THEY
WOULD PROBABLY GO WITH THE
HIGHER CEILING HEIGHT FOR THE
COMBO OF LOADING AND WASTE THAT
WOULD BE PREFERRED. I BRING THIS
UP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF
THE FOCUS IS THE RESIDENTIAL
AREAS AND SO FORTH. EVEN WITH
THE MIDDLE HOUSING, THAT IS
BASICALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD
RESIDENTIAL AREAS. BUT WE HAVE A
LOT OF RESIDENTS NOW IN A
STRAIGHT UP URBAN ENVIRONMENT,
WHETHER DOWNTOWN, BELLTOWN,
UPTOWN, SOUTH LAKE UNION AND SO
FORTH. WE NEED TO ENSURE.
BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED
TODAY, WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE
CONSEQUENCES FOR DECADES. THE
LIFECYCLE OF THAT BUILDING. THIS
IS WHY I BROUGHT IN THE LOADING
DOCK AMENDMENT. WE WOULD HAVE TO
LIVE WITH THAT. THE DEVELOPERS
WANTED TO A LITTLE BIT, YOU
KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE
WORD CHEAP, BUT SIMPLE OR NOT
ACCOUNT FOR THAT, WE WOULD, AS A
CITY, BE LIVING WITH IT. THAT
LOGISTICS WOULD BE THROWN ONTO
THE STREET, AND THEN YOUR SDOT
COLLEAGUE , DIRECTOR EMIRATE
WOULD BE LIKE, HEY, WHAT'S
HAPPENING HERE. I SEE SIMILAR
THINGS HERE. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE
EXAMPLE OF THIS PICTURE BUT I
NOTED YOUR UPDATE, BUT STILL,
FOR SDCI I THINK THIS IS
SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE MENTALLY
THINKING OF IN THE URBAN CENTER
IN A WAY WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT
20, 30 YEARS AGO. WE HAVE SO
MANY RESIDENTS HERE AND NOW THAT
WE DIDN'T HAVE EARLIER
GENERATION. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
KETTLE. COUNCIL PRESIDENT
NELSON, FOLLOWED BY
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY EARS
PICKED UP WHEN YOU NOTED YOUR
PRESENTERS HOW MANY YEARS IT HAS
BEEN SINCE REVISION OF THE CODES
AROUND SOLID WASTE. DID YOU SAY
25?
>> 16.
>> ABOUT 16. THAT JUST BROUGHT
TO MIND A LITTLE WALK DOWN
MEMORY LANE. IT WAS MY OLD BOSS
WHO IS THE PERSON WHO BASICALLY
PUT IN PLACE THE FIRST MANDATORY
RULES ABOUT COMPOSTING AND
RECYCLING. I KNOW THAT THAT --
THAT ANY REVISION IS DIFFICULT.
GARBAGE TOUCHES EVERYBODY. THE
END-USERS ARE SO VARIED. YOU
HAVE RESIDENTS IN MULTIFAMILY,
TRASH HAULERS, NOT THAT IT
PICKED UP AT CURBSIDE, THEN
REGULAR CONTRACTED GARBAGE
TRUCKS, ET CETERA. I HAVE TO
HAND IT TO YOU THAT THIS IS A
HARD PROCESS, AND IT TAKES A LOT
OF WORK TO UPDATE AND GET IT
RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
THAT. I MEAN, THAT WAS A WHOLE
REVISION OF THE SOLID WASTE
MASTER PLAN WAY BACK WHEN. IT IS
REALLY IMPORTANT TO UPDATE IT,
BECAUSE THE POPULATION OF THE
CITY IS GROWING WHAT I WANTED TO
KNOW, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT WHAT
IS THE LAST PHOTOS YOU SHOWED
WITH THE SMALL OPENING TO GET
OUT THAT BIG COMPRESS OR. I
THINK YOU SAID THE IDEA WOULD BE
14 FEET HIGH , AND WHAT WE WERE
SEEING WAS ONLY 13 FEET. I COULD
BE WRONG. DOES THAT MEAN THAT
THE DOORS, GARAGE DOORS, HAVE TO
BE OPEN , HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
OPEN 14 FEET? OR IS THAT A
MINIMUM ROOF HEIGHT TO BE ABLE
TO TILT UP THE COMPRESSOR? CAN
YOU EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THAT? I
AM SURE WHATEVER YOU TALK ABOUT
TAKING FEET AWAY FROM LIVING
SPACE, THAT DOES PRODUCE SOME
DISCUSSION AMONGST PERHAPS,
ARCHITECTS, DEVELOPERS, ET
CETERA.
>> SURE. THANK YOU FOR THE
QUESTION, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
THIS IS, AGAIN, AN OPTIONAL
STYLE OF SERVICE FOR LARGE
MULTIFAMILY OR MIXED-USE
BUILDINGS. THIS IS NOT AN SPU OR
SDCI MANDATE. THEY CHOSE THAT
THEY NEEDED TO CONTACT THE
CELEBES BECAUSE IT IS 200 UNITS
AND SO MUCH SOLID WASTE , THEY
WOULD SAVE $30,000 A YEAR IN
SOLID WASTE CAUSE, THE WAIT FOR
THIS DUMPSTER, THEN YES, THE
NEED TO PROVIDE 14 FEET OVERHEAD
CLEAR INSIDE THE BUILDING. NOT
JUST THE ENTRY PLACE FOR THE
TRUCK, BUT ALSO IN THE PICTURE
YOU SEE HERE, THE INSULATION.
THERE COULD BE NO PIPES HANGING
DOWN, NO FIRE SPRINKLERS BELOW
14 FEET. DOES THAT ANSWER THE
QUESTION?
>> YES. SO WOULD THAT BE EASY
FOR A LOT OF EXISTING BUILDINGS
TO IMPLEMENT? OR WOULD THIS BE
REQUIRED GOING FORWARD AND THEN
A DEVELOPER COULD DECIDE, OR
ARCHITECT WHEN DEFINING THE
BUILDING THAT WOULD BE A SERVICE
THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, AND
THEREFORE, NEEDS EXTRA HEIGHT?
>> THIS CODE APPLIES ONLY TO NEW
CONSTRUCTION OR SUBSTANTIALLY
CHANGED BUILDINGS, CHANGES IN
USE OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS NOT RETROACTIVE TO ANY
BUILDING IN THE CITY UNLESS THEY
ARE DOING A MASSIVE CHANGE OF
USE.
>> -- IT IS VERY MUCH A CHOICE.
IT IS ONLY CHOSEN BY A SELECT
FEW MEDIUM, LARGE, EXTRA-LARGE
BUILDINGS, TOWERS, ET CETERA.
>> GOT IT. THANK YOU.
>> AWESOME. THANK YOU, COUNCIL
PRESIDENT NELSON. COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA.
>> THANK YOU CHAIR, AND THANK
YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. JUST TO
UNDERSCORE THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR
CITY IS GROWING, AND WE NEED TO
UPDATE AND MAKE CHANGES TO THE
CODE AS WE ARE ADDING DENSITY
AND BUILDINGS TO THE CITY. I
APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE.
I HAD THE SAME IDEAS ABOUT THE
COMP PLAN AND ENSURING RIGHT
HAND, LEFT HAND, THAT THE SISTER
CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT ALSO TOUCH
UPON SOLID WASTE, LIKE FIRE, WHO
HAVE TO DEAL WITH DUMPSTER
FIRES, LITERAL DUMPSTER FIRES.
AND MAKING SURE WE ARE ALL
ALIGNED AS WE ARE MOVING
FORWARD. AND THEN, GENERAL
MANAGER LEE, YOU BEAT ME TO THE
PUNCH. I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING
ABOUT ISSUES RELATED TO THAT
ACTUAL DUMPSTERS WITH THEY ARE,
YOU KNOW, THAT ARE CURRENTLY
SITUATED , AND WE ARE CERTAINLY
ADDING TO IT, BUT JUST ENSURING
WE ARE ALSO GIVING ATTENTION TO
DEALING WITH THE IMPACTS OF
THESE DUMPSTERS, PEOPLE ADDING
TRASH . THEY ARE CAUSING, IN
SOME INSTANCES, DUMPSTER FIRES
THAT ARE REALLY PROBLEMATIC .
ALL THE DISTRICTS ACROSS THE
CITY, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE
ALSO LOOKING AT THAT AND FINDING
WAYS TO MITIGATE FOR THAT,
BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM IN
THE U DISTRICT, AND I SUSPECT,
NOT JUST IN THE U DISTRICT. SO
MAKING SURE WE ARE ALSO GIVING
ATTENTION TO THAT AND WHAT WE'RE
GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT. THANK
YOU, CHAIR.
>> AWESOME. THANK YOU,
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA. I DON'T
KNOW IF THERE IS ANY OTHER
COMMENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER
STRAUSS.
>> THANK YOU, FRIENDS. IF WE ARE
PLANNING TO VOTE ON THIS TODAY,
I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN, BECAUSE
WE HAVE TIME TO GET INTO A LOT
OF DETAILS. EVERYONE IS BUSY. NO
PROBLEM TO. I JUST NEED TO GO A
LITTLE BIT DEEPER THAN WE HAVE
TIME FOR IN COMMITTEE TODAY.
I'M GOING TO START -- I SEE
WHERE NOT VOTING TODAY. SOUNDS
LIKE WE WILL GET ANOTHER
OPPORTUNITY. JUST TO DO SOME
LEVEL SETTING HERE. THIS BILL
WOULD NOW APPLY TO NEIGHBORHOOD
RESIDENTIAL LOWRISE,
NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, AND
MULTIFAMILY?
>> I BELIEVE IT ALREADY APPLY TO
ALL THOSE ZONES, EXCEPT FOR
NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.
>> THANK YOU. COLLIES, LAND USE
ZONE HERE, THIS BILL HAS ALREADY
BEEN IN PRACTICE IN LOWRISE, SO
TOWNHOMES, ET CETERA. ANY
MULTIFAMILY HIGH-RISE,
NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL ON UP.
THE LARGEST PART OF THIS IS THAT
WE ARE EXPANDING IT, AND AGAIN,
FRIENDS, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME
HEARING THIS PRESENTATION. WE
ARE JUST DIVING HIM. TELL ME IF
I AM WRONG ON ANY OF THIS. WE
ARE NOW GOING INTO NEIGHBORHOOD
RESIDENTIAL. IN PART, I ASSUME,
BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE MULTIFAMILY
UNITS OR MULTIPLE UNITS ON WHAT
HAS TRADITIONALLY JUST BEEN A
SINGLE-FAMILY LOT. WE ARE NOW
NEEDING TO APPLY SOME OF THE
SIMILAR STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE
SEEN IN LOWRISE THAT WILL SOON
BE EXPERIENCED IN NEIGHBORHOOD
RESIDENTIAL. AM I PICKING UP ON
THE FACTORS CORRECTLY? THANK
YOU. FOLKS, NOW I'M GOING TO
TALK ABOUT THE TREE ORDINANCE.
DIDN'T EXPECT TO GO THERE
TODAY, DID WE? ONE OF THE HARD
PARTS ABOUT THE TREE ORDINANCE
IS THAT THE CITY PUTS A LOT OF
REQUIREMENTS ON WHAT GOES INTO A
LOWRISE ZONE . AND SO, DURING
THE TREE ORDINANCE, AN ISSUE
CAME UP ABOUT HOW MUCH COVERAGE
COULD A BUILDING HAVE IN
LOWRISE. WE WERE NOT TALKING
ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY. SINGLE
FAMILY STILL HAS A 35% LOT
COVERAGE. WE WILL BRING THAT UP
IN THE COMP PLAN. ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY 85% LOT COVERAGE WAS
CHOSEN FOR LOWRISE AND LOWRISE
ONLY, NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL
AND UP, IT'S 100% LOT COVERAGE,
BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT TREES ON THE
ROOFS. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
BUILD A SIX-STORY BUILDING AND
CARVE OUT A CORNER. THESE ARE
SOME OF THE TRADE-OFFS WE MAKE
WITH DENSITY. ONE OF THE
CHALLENGES IS THAT , BEYOND JUST
TRASH, WE ALSO REQUIRE COMMON
AREAS, WALKWAYS . GORDON, DO YOU
WANT TO REMIND ME OF THE OTHER
AMENITY AREAS? I BELIEVE IN SOME
CASES WE EVEN REQUIRE BIKE
STORAGE BUT I THINK WE ALSO
REQUIRE PLANTING OF SHRUBS AND
BUSHES. WHAT OTHER AMENITIES TO
BE REQUIRED BY
>> I THINK COVERED THE MAIN
ONES. AMENITY AREA IS SORT OF A
RECREATIONAL OUTDOOR SPACE FOR
UNITS.
>> FOR LOWRISE. SO BEFORE THE
TREE ORDINANCE, PEOPLE COULD BE
REQUIRED TO CUT DOWN A TREE
BECAUSE THEY WERE REQUIRED TO
PLANT A BUSH. I AM NOT KIDDING
YOU. WE HAVE MADE CHANGES
THROUGH THAT 2023 TREE ORDINANCE
THAT ALLOWS FOR RETAINING A TREE
TO COUNT TOWARDS THEIR
LANDSCAPING GOAL , FOR INSTANCE,
WHICH IS IMPORTANT. ONE OF THE
HARD PARTS WAS TRASH. FUNNILY
ENOUGH. WE ARE REQUIRING THE
BUILDER TO SET ASIDE AN AMOUNT
OF SPACE FOR TRASH , AND THAT
CAN CAUSE FRICTION WITH HAVING
TO CUT DOWN A TREE, BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE ON THE
LOT. DURING THE TREE ORDINANCE,
WE LOWERED , WE PROVIDED
FLEXIBILITY IN AMENITY AREAS.
WITH SETBACKS, WAS TRASH,
WALKING. WE FIXED THE TREES. WE
ALLOWED FOR FLEXIBILITY, I
BELIEVE, UP TO 50%. AGAIN, THIS
IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
DON'T QUOTE ME ON SOME OF THESE
NUMBERS. WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE
ALLOWED FOR 100% FLEXIBILITY
THERE, BECAUSE WE PROBABLY NEED
TO GIVE BUILDERS MORE
FLEXIBILITY TO SAVE THESE TREES.
BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF , WE
TAKE THIS AS A ONE OFF ISSUE .
THERE ARE MANY OTHER THINGS THAT
THE CITY IS REQUIRING OF
BUILDERS THAT ADD UP TO 85% LOT
COVERAGE IN LOWRISE, 100% LOT
COVERAGE IN NEIGHBORHOOD
COMMERCIAL ON UP. AND SO, I JUST
WANT TO FLAG THAT FOR EVERYONE.
REQUIRING THE SPACE MIGHT BE
IMPORTANT TO DO SO IN A CERTAIN
WAY. ACTUALLY, IT IS IMPORTANT
TO DO SO IN A CERTAIN WAY. IT
TROUBLES ME THAT WE WOULD CUT
DOWN, WE WOULD REQUIRE CUTTING
DOWN A TREE TO SET THE TRASH
CANS IN A CERTAIN WAY. THAT IS
MY OVERARCHING -- AND WE CAN DIG
INTO WHAT SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS
MIGHT BE. IT MIGHT NOT BE IN
THIS CODE. YOU MIGHT BE IN THE
CODE THAT GOVERNS TREES AND
THOSE LAND USE ASPECTS
OTHERWISE. BUT I DO THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT THAT WE RIGHT SIZE HOW
MUCH SPACE WE ARE REQUESTING,
BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THE
RECYCLE BINS ARE MORE THAN TWO
FEET BY TWO FEET IN EITHER
DIRECTION. AND SO, IF WE ARE
REQUIRING ONLY TWO FEET TO BE
SET ASIDE, WE ARE NOT DOING IT
RIGHT. I WANTED TO FLAG THIS,
COLLEAGUES, THAT WE ARE
COMPOUNDING ISSUES HERE, AND
THAT CHANGES MIGHT NEED TO BE
MADE AT A MORE BROAD SCALE TO
PROTECT TREES.
>> MAYOR RESPOND WITH SOME
BENEFITS THAT MIGHT HELP YOUR
THINKING OR FILL OUT SOME OF
WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE , WHAT WE
HAVE DONE IN THIS CODE? FIRST OF
ALL, THERE IS ALWAYS
FLEXIBILITY. THERE IS A TYPE ONE
DECISION THAT IS AVAILABLE IN
THE CURRENT CODE VERSION, AND
REMAINS AVAILABLE IN OUR
PROPOSED CHANGES TO THIS. SECOND
OF ALL, SPU PLANTS A GREAT DEAL
OF TREES IN THE CITY IN THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY. OUR SOLID WASTE
TEAM ALWAYS PUTS TREES FIRST.
THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE EVER
HEARD OF A TREE AND SOLID WASTE
SPACE COMING INTO CONFLICT. I'VE
EVER HEARD THAT. IT SADDENS ME
IF THAT IS THE CASE. MY TEAM
LEADS REVIEW, AND WE ALWAYS
REFER TO SDOT URBAN FORESTRY
ENTRÉES AND MAKE SURE TREES
COME FIRST. WE WILL FIND A WAY
TO HANDLE SOLID WASTE . ONE OF
THE ADDITIONAL THINGS WE CAN DO
TO REDUCE THE SPACE REQUIRED ON
PRIVATE PROPERTY IS SOMETHING
CALLED HYBRID SERVICE, WHICH IS
A SERVICE WE AND A COLLEAGUE
LITERALLY MADE UP SIX YEARS AGO
IN RESPONSE TO TOWNHOME
DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE HAVE , SAY,
EIGHT TOWNHOMES SHARE THE
RECYCLING CARDS. INSTEAD OF
HAVING EIGHT OF THEM TAKING UP
ALL THAT MUCH MORE SPACE ON THE
PROPERTY, THEY HAVE FOUR. AND WE
SERVICE THAT EVERY OTHER WEEK
UNDER A MULTIFAMILY STYLE
SERVICE. WE WILL COME OUT AND
GET THOSE CONTAINERS EVERY WEEK
AND SET UP EVERY TWO WEEKS. THAT
IS A SUPER IMPORTANT WAY THAT WE
CAN PARTNER WITH DEVELOPERS
RIGHT UP FRONT TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE ARE NOT LOSING TREES , AND
HOPEFULLY, NOT LOSING ANY KIND
OF AMENITY SPACE. WE KNOW
AMENITY SPACE IS VIEWED AS
SACRED IN MANY CIRCLES, AND
GOSH, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT
BECOMING A PROBLEM GOING FORWARD
WITH THIS AMENDMENT TO THE CODE,
OR OUR PRACTICES AS A UTILITY
WITH REGARD TO TREES.
>> I ADD THAT DEFINITELY THIS
FLEXIBILITY PROVISION THAT WE
ARE PUTTING A LITTLE MORE DETAIL
INTO WITH THE INTENT TO BE , TO
HAVE THE POSSIBILITY APPLY WHERE
IT NEEDS TO, MAKE IT MORE CLEAR
THAT WAY. AND ACKNOWLEDGE YOU
HAVE A VERY RELEVANT COMMENT IN
OUR ZONES ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF
SPACE AND REQUIREMENTS AND
ALLOCATIONS AND NEW NUMBERS OF
UNITS. WE TRY TO ACCOUNT WITH
THAT WITH SOME REALLY
FINE-GRAINED DISCUSSION IN SDCI
ABOUT MORE THE REQUIREMENTS UP
FRONT FOR SPACE AND THE ABILITY
TO SHARE STORAGE AREAS IN UNIT
LOT SUBDIVISIONS, FOR EXAMPLE ,
PUTTING MORE SPECIFICS INTO THAT
SO THAT ALTERNATE ARRANGEMENTS
ARE POSSIBLE TO MAKE IT ALL
WORK. YEAH, IT MAY BE A
CHALLENGE, STILL, FOR DESIGNERS,
BUT WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO
BUILD OUT THAT, THOSE DETAILS.
>> THANK YOU. THE HYBRID
SERVICE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
MAKING THAT HAPPEN. THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUAL THAT WE
CAN DO TODAY TO REDUCE THIS
FOOTPRINT. THE REASON YOU HAVE
PROBABLY NEVER HEARD OF THE
TRASH ZONE BEING THE FINAL THING
IS BECAUSE, I'M TRYING TO PAINT
THIS PICTURE FOR ALL OF US HERE,
WHICH IS THAT IT IS THE TRASH
AND RECYCLE, PLUS THE WALKWAYS,
PLUS THE COMMON SPACE, PLUS THE
BUILDING FOOTPRINT. THAT IS WHAT
ADDS UP TO THE HARD SCAPE. IT
FEELS LIKE IT IS TOO MUCH, BUT
WHEN YOU START ADDING UP ALL THE
CITY REQUIREMENTS, IT BECOMES
85%. I DO WANT TO SIT IN ON TYPE
ONE DECISION, THOUGH. GENERALLY
-- IF THESE ARE QUESTIONS YOU
NEED TO COME BACK TO ME WITH,
TYPE ONE DECISIONS, I ACTUALLY
HEAR IT ADDS TIME AND COST TO
PROJECTS.
>> WE ARE WELL WITHIN SDCI
PERMIT TIMELINES. SOLID WASTE
IS, PERHAPS, ONE TIME IN THE
SEVEN YEARS I HAVE BEEN RUNNING
THIS PROGRAM, ANY SORT OF DELAY
ON A PERMANENT. WE COME SO EARLY
. WE ARE SO EARLY ON IN THE
PERMIT REVIEW THAT THEY ARE DONE
WITH US WAY BEFORE THEY GO WANT
TO EVEN CORRECTION CYCLE TWO. WE
DO NOT, IN MY OPINION, DELAY AT
ALL THE DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE OR
DESIGN TIMELINE. ERROR CODE
BEING CLEAR, AND OUR GUIDANCE ON
HER WEBSITE AND THE FREE ADVICE
WE GIVE TO DEVELOPERS, MAKES IT
REALLY EASY TO GET DONE QUICKLY.
IT IS NOT DELAY PERMITTING.
>> LET ME RESTATE THAT. IT ADDS
TIME .
>> OVERALL, THE CODE WILL REDUCE
THEIR TIME, BECAUSE NOW IT IS
CLEAR. BEFORE THEY HAD TO ASK SO
MANY QUESTIONS. WHAT DOES IT
MEAN? WHAT IS IT 6%? CAN MY
COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL SHARE
A SOLID WASTE ROOM? NOW WE HAVE
CLARIFIED IT, BECAUSE IT IS
SUPER CONFUSING IN THE CURRENT
VERSION. WE HOPE WE ARE ACTUALLY
REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF CONFUSION
AND TIME EARLY ON. AGAIN, WE ARE
NOT THE HANGUP IN THE PERMITTING
CYCLE.
>> YES, I AM GIVING YOU THAT
CREDIT. YOU'RE NOT THE HANGUP.
YOU ARE GETTING IT DONE QUICK.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF THE
RELIEF, THE PATHWAY FOR RELIEF
IS A TYPE ONE DECISION , THEN A
TYPE ONE DECISION TAKES MORE
TIME THAN JUST GOING AND HAVING
IT CLEARING CODE.
>> I CAN CLARIFY THAT FOR YOU.
IN ANY GIVEN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT
REVIEW, WE MAY GIVE THE SDCI
DIRECTOR DISCRETION TO GRANT
SOME FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE
CONTEXT OF THE SINGLE PERMIT
DECISION TO WAIVER -- WAY FOR
JUST REQUIREMENTS THROUGH THE
TYPE ONE DECISION. TYPE ONE IS
JUST ROLLED INTO THE FULL PERMIT
REVIEW OF THE PROJECT. IT IS NOT
NECESSARILY ANY WASTED TIME.
>> BUT IT IS ADDED TIME.
>> I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY --
>> LET'S TAKE THIS OFF-LINE.
YOU ALL ARE DOING GREAT WORK.
THIS IS A GOOD BILL. LET ME DIG
INTO IT MORE DEEPLY WITH THE.
BUT THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE
ARE HAVING IN THE CITY. HOW MUCH
TIME DOES IT TAKE TO BUILD THE
HOUSING THAT WE ARE ALREADY
UNDERSUPPLIED? AND WHETHER IT IS
A DEFINITIONAL DELAY WITHIN OUR
PERMIT TIMELINES, WHICH I DON'T,
AGAIN, BELIEVE WE'RE HITTING
OUR PERMIT TIMELINES IN A WAY I
THINK WE SHOULD THAT IS A
PERSONAL , PROFESSIONAL OPINION
OVER HERE. ALL THAT TO SAY, THE
MORE TIME WE ARE ADDING INTO
THESE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULES,
THE HARDER IT BECOMES TO CREATE
AND PROVIDE THE HOUSING WE ARE
SO UNDERSUPPLIED WITH. THAT IS A
PERSONAL STATEMENT OVER HERE. I
JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR
MAKING THE CODE WERE CLEAN. I'M
LOOKING FORWARD TO DIGGING INTO
THIS MORE DEEPLY WITH YOU.
>> AWESOME. THANK YOU, COUNCIL
MEMBER STRAUSS. I THOUGHT
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA HAD A,. MY
APOLOGIES. YOU DID? NO. OKAY.
AWESOME. THANK YOU OFFER
CLARIFYING. I KNOW WE WILL DO
MORE OF A DEEP DIVE. LOOKING
FORWARD TO THAT REPORT , COUNCIL
MEMBER STRAUSS, WE SAID WE COULD
HAVE TAKEN DOWNED TREES TO
REPLACE FOR A BUSH.
>> WE CHANGE THAT ALREADY. IF
YOU PRESERVE A TREE TODAY,
COUNTS TOWARD YOUR LANDSCAPING
BUT
>> UNDERSTOOD.
>> THAT WAS NOT THE CASE IN
2022.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR
CLARIFYING THAT BUT I WAS LIKE,
THAT WOULD BE VERY THAT
>> STUPID.
>> YOU SAID IT, NOT ME. I AM
CONCURRING WITH YOU. THANK YOU,
ALL. I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL
FOLLOW-UP JUST TO GET MORE
INFORMATION AND CLARITY INTO A
DEEPER DIVE. THANK YOU ALL FOR
PUTTING THIS FORWARD. I THINK IT
IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU ALL
HAVE THIS, ESPECIALLY AS WE
NAVIGATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
BUT IT'S REALLY INTERESTING, A
LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW
THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO COME
ALONG AS WE ARE BUILDING STUFF.
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT
ALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN OUR
DISTRICT. I ASKED THE CAPITAL
HILL FIRE DEPARTMENT WHAT HAS
CHANGED AND WHAT WAS DIFFERENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TALKED
ABOUT WAS THE WIDTH OF THEIR
LADDERS HAD TO GET SKINNIER
BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS ARE LITTLE
BIT DIFFERENT. THEY HAD TO ORDER
NEW LADDERS. SO THEY CAN BE
NIBBLE THROUGH BUILDINGS. I
THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY
INTERESTING TO HEAR BECAUSE OF
THE ARCHITECTURE AND
INFRASTRUCTURE HAS CHANGED
SIGNIFICANTLY IN SEATTLE. I SEE
THIS ALONG THE LINES, AS WE ARE
CHANGE WITH THE TIMES AND TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT BETTER WAYS TO
ACCOMMODATE MORE PEOPLE, BE MORE
EFFICIENT, STILL BEING ABLE TO
MOVE AROUND THE CITY, AND ALSO
FOR DRIVERS TO BE SAFE AS WELL
WHY THEY ARE PICKING UP TRASH.
TAKE YOU ALL FOR THIS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> AWESOME. OKAY. WITH THAT
BEING SAID, WE ARE READY FOR A
JET HIM EITHER -- AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER TWO. CLERK, PLEASE READ
IT. I'M SORRY.
>> AGENDA ITEM 2, COUNCIL BILL
121036, ORDINATES RELATED TO
SEATTLE PARKS IMMIGRATION
AUTHORIZING THE SUPERINTENDENT
TO EXECUTE A CONCESSION
AGREEMENT GRANTING THE KITE CAFE
LLC THE RIGHT TO EXCLUSIVE USE
AND OCCUPANCY OF THE KITE CAFE
-- GOLDEN GARDENS BATHHOUSE
CONCESSION PREMISES FOR
BRIEFING, A POSSIBLE VOTE.
>> I DIDN'T SAY MY SEATTLE
UTILITIES JOKE. YOU WANT TO HEAR
MY JOKES? WHY DID THE FAUCET
BREAKUP WITH THE SINK? BECAUSE
THEY FELT THE RELATIONSHIP WAS
GOING DOWN THE DRAIN. REALLY
GOOD. THAT WAS GOOD. SHE IS GOT
MORE.
>> I GOT MORE. WASN'T THAT
GOOD?
>> IT WAS GOOD.
>> THANK YOU. THAT WAS A GOOD
FAUCET AND SINK IN A
RELATIONSHIP, AND THEY BROKE UP
BECAUSE IT WAS GOING DOWN THE
DRAIN. WE ARE READY FOR THE
PARKS DEPARTMENT. I HAVE A PARKS
JOKE TOO. IS COMING AFTER THE
PRESENTATION.
>> MAYBE I WILL START OUT WITH
AN INTRODUCTION AND GO DOWN THE
LINE. I'M CHRISTOPHER WILLIAMS,
CHIEF OF STAFF, SEATTLE PARKS
AND RECREATION.
>> KATHLEEN GANTZ, CONTRACT
MANAGER FOR SEATTLE PARKS AND
RECREATION.
>> PARKS CONCESSION COORDINATOR
FOR SEATTLE PARKS AND
RECREATION.
>> I AM WITH THE KITE CAFE.
>> GREAT. I WILL START OFF HERE.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE
OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS
PRESENTATION TODAY I AM JOINED
HERE BY TWO VERY CAPABLE SEATTLE
PARK AND RECREATION STAFF THAT
YOU JUST MET. WE ARE ALSO JOINED
BY MATT KELLY AND TONY MEYER .
THEY OPERATE THE CONCESSION AT
GOLDEN GARDENS. I HAD A CHANCE
TO MEET THEM IN THE HALLWAY AS
WE WERE WAITING TO COME UP HERE.
I WAS IMPRESSED BY THEIR ENERGY,
THEIR ENTHUSIASM. I HEAR THAT
TONY MAKES A GREAT SUBWAY
SANDWICH. IF YOU ARE IN THE
VICINITY OF GOLDEN GARDENS, STOP
BY AND TAKE THAT IN ONE OF THE
THINGS I WANT TO SAY ABOUT
CONCESSIONS IN GENERAL , YOU
HEARD ABOUT OUR GOLF CONCESSION
NOT TOO LONG AGO. WE BROUGHT
THAT CONTRACT HERE. THAT IS ON
ONE END OF THE SPECTRUM WHERE WE
ENGAGE CONTRACTOR TO OPERATE
HUGE GOLF COMPLEXES. 596 ACRES
OF GOLF COURSES ACROSS THE CITY.
AT THE OTHER END OF THAT
SPECTRUM WE CONTRACT WITH
VENDORS TO OPERATE ICE CREAM
TRUCKS IN OUR PARKS. SOMEWHERE
IN BETWEEN, WE CONTRACT WITH
FOLKS LIKE MATTHEW AND TONY TO
OPERATE THE CONCESSION AT GOLDEN
GARDENS PARK. THE CONCESSION HAS
BROAD BENEFITS . IT IS KIND OF
THE PARK DEPARTMENT'S ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT JOURNEY. WE HAVE
SMALL PLACES ACROSS THE CITY
THAT WE ENGAGE PRIVATE
CONTRACTORS AND CONCESSION
CONTRACTS . THIS PROVIDES AN
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY
. IT PROVIDES EYES ON THE PARK.
AND IT PROVIDES A DIRECT BENEFIT
TO PUBLIC PARK AND RECREATION
USERS. THEY'RE NOT JUST IN
BUSINESS, BUT THEY ARE ACTIVELY
ENGAGING IN STEWARDSHIP BY
OPERATING THE CONCESSION AT
GOLDEN GARDENS PARK. WITH THAT,
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO KATHLEEN
OR JoANNE .
>> THANK YOU, CHRISTOPHER, FOR
YOUR KIND INTRODUCTION. AND
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
STRAUSS, RIVERA, HOLLINGSWORTH
AND KETTLE FOR YOUR TIME AND
ATTENTION TODAY. WE ARE HERE
TODAY FOR CONSIDERATION OF AN
ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE PARKS
SUPERINTENDENT TO EXECUTE A
LONG-TERM FOOD CONCESSION
AGREEMENT WITH THE KITE CAFE.
THIS GRANTS THE KITE CAFE
EXCLUSIVE USE AND OCCUPANCY OF
THE CONCESSION PREMISES AT
GOLDEN GARDENS BATHHOUSE. THE
GOLDEN GARDENS BATHHOUSE IS
LOCATED IN NORTHWEST SEATTLE
DIRECTLY FACING THE SOUND IN THE
BALLARD NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WILL BE
DISCUSSING THE FOOD CONCESSIONS
, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTH
END OF THE BATHHOUSE, AS SEEN IN
THE PICTURE FROM THE SHORE.
WE'RE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT TODAY
THE AGREEMENT GOALS, THE
BACKGROUND INFORMATION, TIMELINE
, KEY TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT,
AND ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU
MAY HAVE AFTERWARDS. WE HAVE
SOME LONG-TERM AGREEMENT GOALS .
OUR SHARED LONG-TERM GOALS
INCLUDE POSITIVE ACTIVATION OF
THE HISTORIC GOLDEN GARDENS
BUILDING AND THE PARK ,
ENHANCING THE GOLDEN GARDENS
EXPERIENCE BY PROVIDING HIGH
QUALITY, AFFORDABLE , HEALTHY
FOOD OPTIONS USING LOCAL
PRODUCERS WHERE POSSIBLE.
GENERATING REVENUE TO SUPPORT
SPR OPERATIONS, THUS, ENABLING
SMALL BUSINESS TO SUCCEED. THERE
IS ALSO THE BENEFIT OF PROVIDING
EYES ON THE PARK AND BUILDING TO
ENHANCE SAFETY AND A WELCOMING
FEELING. LASTLY, PARTICIPATION
IN BEACH CLEANUP IS ALWAYS GOOD
FOR ALL OF US. WE WANT TO
HIGHLIGHT A FEW HISTORICAL
EVENTS AT GOLDEN GUARDS --
GARDENS PARK. IN 1923, THE CITY
OF SEATTLE PURCHASED 52 ACRES OF
LAND FOR $37,000 AND ESTABLISHED
GOLDEN GARDENS PARK. IN JULY
1929, A BATHHOUSE WAS
CONSTRUCTED AND OPENED TO
SUPPORT SALTWATER SWIMMING. FROM
THE LATE '20s THROUGH '60s
NUMEROUS IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE
TO THE FACILITY, INCLUDING THE
ADDITION OF AN OPEN AIR
CONCESSION STAND IN THE 1950s.
IN 1974, SADLY, THE BATHHOUSE
WAS CLOSE FOR OVER TWO DECADES.
AND THEN, THE 2000 PARKS LEVY
ALLOWED FOR RENOVATIONS, AND AS
A RESULT, THE BUILDING WAS
REPURPOSED AS AN AFFORDABLE
WATERFRONT REVENUE-GENERATING
SPECIAL EVENTS VENUE HOSTING
WEDDINGS, MEMORIALS AND OFFICE
GATHERINGS. IN 2004, RENOVATIONS
WERE MADE TO THE CONCESSION
SPACE , AND FINALLY, IN 2006, WE
HAD OUR FIRST LONG-TERM FOOD
CONCESSIONAIRE SELECTED THROUGH
A FORMAL REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS ,
AND ANOTHER WAS DONE IN 2016. IN
THE FALL OF 2023, SEATTLE PARKS
AND RECREATION FACILITATED
ANOTHER FORMAL PUBLIC PROCESS TO
SOLICIT PROPOSALS THROUGH AN
RFP. WE RECEIVED FOUR PROPOSALS
THAT WERE SCORED AND INTERVIEWED
BY THREE SPR STAFF AND THREE
COMMUNITY MEMBERS. ON JANUARY
31, 2020 FOR THE SELECTED
VENDOR, THE KITE CAFE, WAS
AWARDED A SHORT-TERM CONTRACT TO
ENSURE THAT FOOD CONCESSIONS AND
OPERATIONS COULD CONTINUE AT
GOLDEN GARDENS WHY WE NEGOTIATED
A LONG-TERM CONTRACT. IN THE
SPRING OF 2024, MID-MAY, THE
KITE CAFE OPENED UNDER A
ONE-YEAR AGREEMENT. TENANT
IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING NEW
PAINT, ELECTRICAL UPGRADES, AS
WELL AS PERMANENT SHELVING. IN
2024, THE NET REVENUE RECEIVED
WAS $38,300. WE ARE HERE NOW IN
THE SUMMER OF 2025 FOR COUNCIL
CONSIDERATION OF A LONG-TERM
AGREEMENT. THE PREMISES CONSIST
OF 480 SQUARE FEET OF CAFÉ
SPACE, AND A 20 SQUARE-FOOT
STORAGE CLOSET. REGARDING THE
VEHICLES, THE ICE CREAM JEEP
MUST REMAIN ON PREMISES AND
FULLY UNDER THE AWNING DURING
BUSINESS HOURS AND IS PERMITTED
USE FROM THURSDAYS THROUGH
SUNDAYS. THE KITE CAFE WAS
AWARDED AN INITIAL FIVE-YEAR
TERM WITH THE OPTION OF A
FIVE-YEAR EXTENSION WITH MUTUAL
AGREEMENT . THEY PAY THE FULL
FAIR MARKET VALUE AND CASH
TOTALING $16,300 ANNUALLY, WHICH
IS PAID IN MONTHLY INSTALLMENTS.
THEY WILL HAVE A CPI INCREASE OF
NO MORE THAN 4% ANNUALLY. THE
INITIAL FIVE-YEAR TERM
CONCESSION FEE WILL TOTAL
$81,500, PLUS CPI, WITH A
FIVE-YEAR EXTENSION HAVING THE
SAME TERMS. ADDITIONALLY, THEY
WILL PAY A 1% CONCESSION FEE OF
SALES OVER $1 MILLION, AND THEY
HAVE NOT YET REACHED THIS
THRESHOLD. REGARDING THE
UTILITIES, THE KITE CAFE IS
SEPARATED , HAS SEPARATE METERS
FOR ELECTRICITY, WHICH THEY PAY.
THEY ALSO WILL PAY A
PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF THE
SHARED GAS METER . SPR BILLS FOR
THAT ONCE A YEAR. THE PREVIOUS
VENDOR PAID ABOUT $100 ANNUALLY
FOR THAT GAS. THE WATER AND
SEWER IS PAID FOR BY SPR AS THE
RESTROOMS ARE NOT PART OF THEIR
PREMISE. SPR ALSO IS RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE BUILDING ENVELOPE . I
JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE
$16,300 IS NOT A GIVEAWAY. THIS
IS LARGELY A SEASONAL BUSINESS,
AND WE REQUIRE THEM TO BE HERE
YEAR-ROUND. WE KNOW THAT THEY
OPERATE AT A LOSS DURING THE
WINTER MONTHS. WE MENTIONED
EARLIER THEY PAY $38,300 LAST
YEAR. THIS INTERIM AGREEMENT
ASSUMES THE MINIMAL FAIR MARKET
RENT OF 50% RECEIVES --
RECEIPTS. THAT WAS DEEMED
UNSUSTAINABLE. THEREFORE, THE
PROPOSED LEGISLATION HAS A FAIR
MARKET VALUE FLAT FREE RATE, AND
SPR HAS ALREADY APPROVED THE
CHANGE FROM A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF
SALES TO FAIR MARKET VALUE GOING
FORWARD IN THIS LONG-TERM
AGREEMENT. OUR SHARED GOALS THAT
WE MENTIONED EARLIER
DEMONSTRATES SOME OF THE
INTANGIBLE BENEFITS THAT COME
WITH THE YEAR-ROUND
CONCESSIONAIRE THAT KEEPS EYES
ON THE PARKS. AT THE KITE CAFE,
THEY'RE PROUD TO SUPPORT AND
COLLABORATE WITH LOCAL FARMS AND
SMALL BUSINESSES RIGHT HERE IN
THE SEATTLE AREA. THE KITE CAFE
SUPPORTS LOCALLY GROWN FOOD FROM
PRODUCERS AND OFFERS A DIVERSE
MENU WITH COST-CONSCIOUS, LOCAL
AND HEALTHY FOOD OPTIONS. THIS
PAST SEASON THEY PARTNER WITH
INCREDIBLE GROWERS LIKE PEYTON
FARMS, COLLINS FAMILY ORCHARDS
AND MANY OTHERS. THE KITE CAFE
ALSO PROBABLY SERVES SEATTLE
POPS. IT IS A WOMEN OWNED AND
OPERATED COMPANY BASED IN NORTH
SEATTLE CRAFTING ALL NATURAL,
HYPER LOCAL ORGANIC POPSICLES
PERFECT FOR EVERY SEASON. THE
KITE CAFE IS ALSO HONORED TO BE
AN AUTHORIZED RETAILER OF PRISM
KITE TECHNOLOGY, A SEATTLE-BASED
KITE DESIGNER AND MANUFACTURER
LOCATED IN FISHERMAN'S
TERMINAL. OF COURSE, THEY LOVE
GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY BY
SPONSORING A LOCAL LITTLE LEAGUE
TEAM. CALLED HANDSPUN PEACH
MILKSHAKES ON A HOT SUMMER DAY,
COUNT ME IN. THAT SOUNDS
ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTFUL. THE ICE
CREAM JEEP VIBRANT REALLY AS A
FUN, NOSTALGIC TOUCH TO THE
EXPERIENCE. I JUST WANT TO SAY,
TONY AND MATT HAVE BEEN SUCH A
WONDERFUL, RELIABLE AND FRIENDLY
PARTNERS THROUGHOUT THEIR
CONTRACT , TIMELY WITH
PAPERWORK, A PARTNER IN THE CARE
AND MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF
THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING IN THE
CITY, AND THEY CONTINUE TO
SUPPORT THE MISSION AND VALUES A
SEATTLE PARKS AND RECREATION IN
THEIR OFFERINGS TO THE
COMMUNITY. THEY EMBRACE MANY OF
SPR'S VALUES OF CREATING WARM
AND WELCOMING SPACES , CREATING
COMMUNITY, PROVIDING JOBS AND
TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR
YOUTH. THAT IS THE KIND OF
COLLABORATION EVERYONE
APPRECIATES. ARE YOU THINKING OF
VISITING SOONER MAYBE SHARING
THIS WITH YOUR TEAM? THEY ARE
OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK DURING
HIGH SEASON. COME ON DOWN AND
HAVE A SANDWICH AND A SHAKE.
NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE
FLOOR TO ANYONE WHO HAS
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FOR ANY OF
US.
>> THANK YOU. THAT WAS A GREAT
PRESENTATION BUT IT MADE ME
SUPER -- IT ALL SOUNDED GREAT. I
DON'T KNOW IF FROM KITE CAFE,
IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO ADD. THAT
I WILL DEFER TO COUNCILMEMBER
WHOSE DISTRICT THIS IS IN FOR
FIRST COMMENTS. DO YOU HAVE
ANYTHING TO ADD? DID I WOULD
JUST SAY THAT IT IS BEEN A REAL
PLEASURE BEING AT GOLDEN GARDENS
THIS LAST YEAR. WE REALLY
ENJOYED WORKING WITH THE PARKS
TEAM. THEY HAVE BEEN REALLY
SUPPORTIVE HELPING US GET OPEN .
WE ARE EXCITED TO CONTINUE TO
SERVE THE BEACH.
>> AWESOME. THANK YOU.
COLLEAGUES, THIS WILL BE THE
MOMENT FOR QUESTIONS. I WILL
DEFER TO COUNCILMEMBER D4.
>> THANK YOU, G HOLLINGSWORTH,
AND THANK YOU TO THE PARKS TEAM
FOR PUTTING THIS AGREEMENT
TOGETHER. MATT AND TONY, THANK
YOU FOR CREATING AN OPEN SPACE
THAT PEOPLE CAN GET TO. GOLDEN
GARDENS PARK IS DIFFERENT,
ESPECIALLY THIS KITE CAFE , IS
DIFFERENT THAN PRETTY MUCH ANY
OTHER FACILITY WE HAVE IN THE
PARKS SYSTEM. CHRISTOPHER
WILLIAMS SET IT WELL. THE GOLF
COURSES ARE 596 ACRES. THE SPACE
IS LESS THAN 596 SQUARE FEET. I
MEAN, TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE
. TO GIVE EVERYONE REFERENCE
POINTS, TO THE NORTH OF THE
BATHHOUSE IS METAL., THE COAST
GUARD'S DESIGNATION. INTO THE
SOUTH IS SHOAL BAY BETWEEN
GOLDEN GARDENS AND DISCOVERY
PARK . CHAIR, WE DID RECEIVE A
REPORT TODAY THAT THIS EAGLES
HAVE STOPPED FLYING OVER THE
BAY. YOU KNOW WHY? THEY WOULD BE
BAGELS. BAD JOKES. HERS WAS
FUNNIER. IN ALL SERIOUSNESS,
THIS LOCATION HAS BEEN HARD .
THIS LOCATION HAS BEEN HARD
BECAUSE, IN THE SUMMERTIME,
BUSINESS IS BOOMING ALL FOUR
DAYS OF SUMMER. AND THEN, IN THE
REST OF THE YEAR, IT IS ONE OF
THE MOST UNCOMFORTABLE PLACES TO
BE IN THE CITY. THE REASON THAT
I CHOOSE TO GO TO THE ELKS
SPEECH INSTEAD OF GOLDEN GARDENS
IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO WIND IT
IS WITHIN A MILE OF EACH OTHER.
THE WIND FACTOR, THE RAIN
FACTOR, THE DREARINESS FACTOR.
IT IS ALL SO DIFFICULT FOR THE
BATHHOUSE AND CAFÉ SPACE THAT I
HAVE WATCHED BUSINESSES LAST
ABOUT 3 1/2 YEARS . SO IT HAS
BEEN THESE FIVE-YEAR CONTRACTS
THAT WE DON'T EVEN GET TO THE
END OF THE CONTRACT. COLLEAGUES,
I HAVE REQUESTED SOME AMENDMENTS
TO THIS CONTRACT. I WILL
CONTINUE WORKING WITH . I KNOW
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IN A ROW
I BROUGHT AN AMENDMENT TO A
CONTRACT. I'M LETTING EVERYONE
KNOW AND STATING ON THE RECORD,
ESPECIALLY FOR THE LAW OFFICE,
THIS IS THE LAST TIME I WILL
BRING AMENDMENTS TO A CONTRACT
FROM HERE ON OUT. I WILL EITHER
JUST REJECT THEM OR SEND THEM
BACK. I AM SERIOUS. I'M NOT
HERE TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF
YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR
CONCESSIONAIRES. BUT I'M ALSO
HERE NOT AS A RUBBER STAMP. I'M
HERE TO MAKE SURE IT IS A FINAL
CHECK BEFORE AN AGREEMENT
BECOMES AN ORDINANCE. AND SO,
COLLEAGUES, TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR
ADDRESSED SOME OF THESE
AMENDMENTS AND WHAT -- I WILL
SHARE WITH EVERYONE RIGHT NOW.
IF THESE ARE NOT WELCOME, I'M
NOT GOING TO DO THEM. LIKE, WE
ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. I WANT
YOU ALL TO BE IN CONTROL OF YOUR
OWN DESTINY AS A BUSINESS. I
ALSO NOTE THAT BECAUSE
BUSINESSES HAVE HAD A RECORD OF,
LIKE, A RECORD EVERY TIME OF
FEELING IN THREE AND HALF YEARS
FOR THE PAST, I THINK, THREE OR
FOUR CYCLES, THAT THIS IS NOT --
THERE IS PRECEDENT AS TO WHY
SOME OF THESE CHANGES NEED TO BE
MADE. JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW,
THE COST, I THINK THE COST IN
THE CONTRACT BEFORE US IS HIGHER
THAN THE RFP. LOOKING AT THAT,
THE JEEP REQUIRED IT IS TO STAY
UNDER THE AWNING, THE AWNING IS
A PUBLIC BENEFIT OF SHADE. THE
JEEP COULD GET PARKED ON THE
SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THESE ARE
SOME OF THE SMALL ISSUES OF
ALLOWING FOR FLEX ABILITY AND
NOT PUTTING ADDITIONAL
REQUIREMENTS ON MATT AND TONY.
BECAUSE WHEN THE ROOM WAS MORE
FULL, I WAS GOING TO TAKE A POLL
OF HOW MANY PEOPLE UP INTO
GOLDEN GARDENS IN THE SUMMER AND
HOW MANY IN THE WINTER. AND
EVERYONE'S HAND GOES DOWN. WE
ARE REQUIRING THEM TO BE OPEN IN
THE WINTER. THAT IS SOMETHING I
THINK WE ALL NEED TO BE AWARE
OF, BECAUSE THEY ARE PROVIDING
-- THIS IS A PUBLIC-PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIP IN THE SENSE THE
PUBLIC IS GETTING A BENEFIT OF
NOT BEING STRANDED ON A COLD
RAINY BEACH BECAUSE THERE IS THE
KITE CAFE TO KEEP THEM WARM FOR
A COUPLE OF MINUTES . BUT IF WE
ARE NOT SETTING THEM UP FOR
SUCCESS, THEN WE ARE DOING
OURSELVES HARM. THAT IS
GENERALLY -- I MEAN, WE COULD
WALK THROUGH SOME OF THIS. WILL
ALSO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO THE
PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THE TEAM
AND CHAIR , I WILL HAVE THIS
DONE BY THE NEXT COMMITTEE TO
GET VOTED OUT OF THE NEXT
COMMITTEE SO THAT THERE IS NOT,
WE ARE NOT GETTING DELAYED INTO
BUDGET INTO DECEMBER BUT I WANT
TO KEEP US ON THIS PATH. THAT IS
WHAT I GOT.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
STRAUSS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I
KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THIS WILL COME
TO THE NEXT MEETING. WE WILL BE
ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE AMENDMENTS
AND WORK ON THEM . YOU WILL WORK
ON THEM. CENTRAL STAFF AND YOU.
WE WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR THOSE
OUT. YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO
SHARE THEM?
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL
TO HAVE LAW REVIEW THEM. I SEE
KARINA IN THE AUDIENCE. WE WERE
ACTUALLY GOING OVER THESE
AMENDMENTS. THAT IS PART OF WHY
I WAS LATE TO COMMITTEE TODAY
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THEM WITH
PARKS AND KITE CAFE. AHEAD OF
PRESENTING THEM A COMMITTEE TO
MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME
PAGE. AGAIN, EVERYONE HAS VETO
POWER. I JUST SEE THIS AS BEING
SO DIFFERENT THAN ALL OTHER
AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE
CITY, BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER
LOCATION THAT IS THIS
GEOGRAPHICALLY ISOLATED, THIS
ENVIRONMENTALLY ISOLATED, AND
ALSO, I WOULD LOVE TO EXPLORE
HOW CAN THE KITE CAFE BETTER
PARTNER WITH THE REST OF THE
BATHHOUSE, WHICH IS A RENTAL
FACILITY. I SEE THE CATERING
TRUCKS COME IN ALL THE TIME I
WILL LEAVE IT THERE BEFORE I
OPEN PANDORA'S BOX AGAIN. ALSO,
POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE ,
MATT AND TONY, YOU DO INCREDIBLE
CIVIC WORK THROUGH YOUR PRIVATE
COMPANY WITH THE QUEEN AND
FARMERS MARKET , AND THEN, YOU
KNOW, WITH THE SERVICES YOU
PROVIDE , BALLARD FC . I THINK
YOU MAY KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO
BE ABLE TO BE AT THE PLAYOFF
GAME ON FRIDAY. PLEASE SHOUT FOR
ME. THOSE ARE MY PERSONAL
PRIVILEGE IS TODAY. WE CAN
COORDINATE PERCENT OF YOUR TIME
IS PRECIOUS. IF WE ALL COME TO
AGREEMENT AND YOU DON'T FEEL
LIKE YOU NEED COME BACK TO
COMMITTEE, I'M HAPPY TO CURE
YOUR WATER. BUT ALSO, IF YOU
WANT TO BE HERE. I WANT TO
RESPECT YOUR TIME AS WELL.
>> AWESOME. THANK YOU,
COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS FOR ANY
OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU ALL.
LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS. IS
ACTUALLY ONLINE LOOKING AT YOUR
MENU. NUMBER ONE. I THINK IT IS
PHENOMENAL YOUR REVIEWS ARE
4.IT. THAT IS SUPERHIGH,
ESPECIALLY IN RESTAURANTS
NOWADAYS . I THOUGHT THAT WAS
REALLY COOL TO GO DOWN THE LINE
AND LOOK AT ALL THE GREAT
COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE HAD FOR YOU
ALL. AND THEN, I'M GOING TO GET
THE GREENWICH SANDWICH. THAT IS
VEGAN. THERE'S NOTHING BETTER
THAN A GOOD, NICE HOAGIE
SANDWICH. I NEED OIL AND
VINEGAR. A LITTLE PEPPER. YOU
GOT ME? I AM COMING.
>> OKAY.
>> I HAVE BEEN TO GOLDEN GARDENS
IN THE WINTER, COUNCILMEMBER
STRAUSS.
>> HOW WAS IT?
>> NOT, YOU KNOW. NOT LIKE THE
SUMMER. [ LAUGHTER ] I HAD BEEN
THERE. IT IS NOT LIKE THE
SUMMER. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER,
THERE IS A DOG PARK
>> WHICH IS MORE PROTECTED FROM
THE WIND THEN THE BEACH.
>> IT IS. I'VE NEVER GOTTEN
COLD THERE WITH MY DOG, SANTANA.
AWESOME. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING
HERE. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I
DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY LAST
COMMENTS AT ALL.
>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE
TIME.
>> EASY. AWESOME. THANK YOU ALL
FOR BEING HERE. WE WILL SEE YOU
BACK NEXT COMMITTEE. THANK YOU.
COLLEAGUES, A HEADS UP, -- HERE
IS THE DAD JOKE. DAD PARKS JOKE.
WHY DOES , NOT COUNCILMEMBER
STRAUSS, GET LOST IN A PARK?
>> BECAUSE OF THE FRIENDS OF
DISCOVERY PARK MADE A MAP.
>> NO, BECAUSE YOU LEAVE A BUNCH
OF BAD DAD JOKES BEHIND. ANYWAY.
WHATEVER. ITEM NUMBER THREE. I
THOUGHT THAT WAS GOOD.
>> FRIENDS OF DISCOVERY PARK
DOES MAKE A GOOD HOT DOG.
>> OKAY.
>> AGENDA ITEM 3, COUNCIL BILL
121038, ORDINANCE RELATED TO
SEATTLE PARKS AND RECREATION
AUTHORIZING THE SUPERINTENDENT
TO ENTER INTO A FIVE-YEAR
AGREEMENT WITH OPTIONS TO EXTEND
WITH LOST EVENING TO OPERATE AND
PROVIDE MANAGEMENT OF THE GREEN
LAKE PITCH & PUTT AT GREEN LAKE
PARK.
>> PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO
THE BUCKET. I THOUGHT THAT WAS
END OF OUR MEETING. I WAS GOING
TO CLOSE A MEETING. I FORGOT
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.
APOLOGIZE. PLEASE JUMP INTO YOUR
PRESENTATION.
>> YOU BET. CHRISTOPHER
WILLIAMS, AGAIN, JOINED BY
KATHLEEN GANTZ AND AMY FAULKNER
FROM LOST EVENINGS, WHO IS THE
BUSINESS OWNER. SHE HAD PLANNED
TO JOIN US VIRTUALLY. I DON'T
KNOW IF SHE IS ONLINE.
>> WE WILL DOUBLE CHECK.
>> AWESOME. WE CAN STILL MOVE
FORWARD. THE GREEN LAKE PITCH &
PUTT IS A CHERISHED 70-YEAR-OLD
FACILITY. LOTS OF HISTORY THERE.
I HAVE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
FOR A LONG TIME. A LOT OF YOUNG
PEOPLE DEVELOP THEIR INTEREST IN
GOLF BY PLAYING AND PRACTICING
AT THE PITCH & PUTT . WE HAVE
HAD ONE OPERATOR FOR, LIKE, THE
PAST 14 OR 15 YEARS . WE WILL
EASILY WENT THROUGH AN RFP
PROCESS. AMY AND LOST EVENINGS
WERE THE SUCCESSFUL AWARDEE .
AMY BRINGS LOTS OF ENERGY AND
NEW IDEAS TO THE PITCH & PUTT.
AS YOU DRIVE BY, YOU WILL SEE
LOTS OF LITTLE CHANGES THAT ARE
KIND OF AN INVITATION TO THE
PUBLIC TO COME IN AND SEE WHAT
IS HAPPENING. WE ARE EXCITED TO
BE PARTNERING WITH AMY AND LOST
EVENINGS ON THE PITCH & PUTT.
RIGHT NOW, I WILL ASK KATHLEEN
TO TALK YOU THROUGH THE
SIGNIFICANT ELEMENTS OF THIS
AGREEMENT.
>> THANK YOU, CHRISTOPHER. THANK
YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY TO
TALK ABOUT THE GREEN LAKE PITCH
& PUTT AND OUR PROPOSED
CONCESSIONS AGREEMENT WITH LOST
EVENINGS LLC FOR THE MANAGEMENT
AND OPERATION OF THIS SITE. AS
CHRISTOPHER SAID, PITCH & PUTT
IS A SHORTER, LESS FORMAL
VERSION OF GOLF FOR THE COURSE
HAS SHORTER AND TAKES ONLY AN
HOUR OR TWO TO COMPLETE A ROUND.
THIS PRESENTATION WE'RE GOING
TO COVER FOUR KEY AREAS, THE
BACKGROUND ON THE GREEN LAKE
PITCH & PUTT, THE REQUEST FOR
PROPOSAL OR RFP PROCESS, ERIC
LEE CONDITIONS OF THE PROPOSED
AGREEMENT, AND THE COMMUNITY
SUPPORT AND PROGRAMMING PLANS.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGREEMENT IS
THE CONSIDERATION OF AN
ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE
SUPERINTENDENT TO ENTER INTO A
FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT WITH OPTIONS
TO EXTEND WITH LOST EVENINGS TO
ACTIVATE AND MAINTAIN THIS
BELOVED COMMUNITY ASSET. OUR
GOALS FOR THIS LONG-TERM
AGREEMENT ARE AS FOLLOWS. FIRST,
WE WANT TO SUSTAIN THE SEASONAL
ACTIVATION OF THE PITCH & PUTT,
WHICH PROVIDES A VIBRANT
RECREATIONAL OPTION AT GREEN
LAKE.
>> SECOND, WE HAVE TO THAT YOU
WANT TO HAVE A CONSISTENT
OPERATOR PROVIDING EYES ON THE
PARK PROVIDING SAFETY AND
STEWARDSHIP. THIRD, WE ARE
EXCITED TO WORK WITH AN OPERATOR
WHO BRINGS SUCH ENTHUSIASM A
VISION AND A COMMITMENT TO
INCLUSION AND COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT. AND FINALLY, THIS
AGREEMENT HELPS US GENERATE
REVENUE TO SUPPORT OPERATIONS
AND TACKLE LONG-OVERDUE FACILITY
IMPROVEMENTS. THIS COURSE HAS
DEEP ROOTS IN THE COMMUNITY. IT
WAS DEVELOPED IN 1947, IN THE
ORIGINAL BUILDING DATES BACK TO
1948. SINCE 1953, THE CITY HAS
OWNED THE COURSE, AND FOR OVER
40 YEARS, A SINGLE FAMILY
OPERATED THE CONCESSION UNTIL
THE MOST RECENT CONTRACT EXPIRED
IN NOVEMBER 2024. IT HAS LONG
SERVED AS AN ACCESSIBLE ENTRY
POINT TO GOLF, AND IT CONTINUES
TO BE CHERISHED BY LOCALS. HERE
IS A QUICK TIMELINE OF OUR
RECENT DEVELOPMENTS. IN THE
SPRING OF 2024 WE INITIATED A
COMPETITIVE RFP PROCESS ,
RECEIVING SIX PROPOSALS. WE HAD
A VERY DIVERSE PANEL CONSISTING
OF DIFFERENT RACES AND GENDERS
WITH AGES RANGING FROM A HIGH
SCHOOL STUDENT TO A SENIOR
COUPLE TO CITY OF SEATTLE STAFF
MEMBERS AND FOUR COMMUNITY
REPRESENTATIVES. ONE OF WHOM IS
A GOLF PROFESSIONAL. WITH THEIR
COMBINED SCORING, THEY SELECTED
GILLY WAGON, NOW OPERATING AS
LOST EVENINGS. IN THE WINTER OF
2024 AND 2025 WE DID SITE
UPGRADES DURING THEIR REGULAR
SEASONAL CLOSURE. LOST EVENINGS
BEGAN OPERATING THE SPRING, AND
WE ARE NOW BRINGING FORWARD THIS
LONG-TERM AGREEMENT FOR COUNCIL
CONSIDERATION. THE KEY TERMS OF
THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT ARE THAT
THIS AGREEMENT COVERS THE NINE
HOLE PAR THREE COURSE AT THE
SOUTH END THAT SOUTH END, EACH
HOLE DESIGNED TO BE COMPLETED IN
THREE STROKES BY A SKILLED
PLAYER. THE SEASON RUNS FROM
MARCH TO OCTOBER. INCLUDES
INITIAL FIVE-YEAR TERM WITH TWO
OPTIONAL FIVE-YEAR EXTENSIONS.
THE CONCESSIONAIRE WILL PAY 10%
OF REVENUE MONTHLY WITH A
GUARANTEED MINIMUM OF $26,000
ANNUALLY, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 300
AND UTILITIES MONTHLY. EVENTS
ARE ALLOWED WITH SPR'S APPROVAL
WITH 10% OF EVENT REVENUE GOING
TO SPR. LOST EVENINGS IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAY TODAY
MAINTENANCE WHILE SPR HANDLES
MAJOR MAINTENANCE. AND BY YEAR
THREE, THE OPERATOR WILL INSTALL
OR UPGRADE THE RESTROOM TO MEET
ADA STANDARDS. WE ARE
PARTICULARLY EXCITED ABOUT LOST
EVENINGS CAPOTE -- PROPOSED
PROGRAMMING BEYOND TRADITIONAL
GOLF OFFERINGS BUT SOME INCLUDE
KIDS GOLF CAMP, BUSINESS LEAGUE
PLAY, LGBTQ INCLUSIVE SOCIAL
SCRAMBLES, CALL FOR NON-GOLFERS,
THEMES COMMUNITY GATHERINGS LIKE
DONUT DAYS AND TEE DAYS AND LIVE
PERFORMANCE AND OTHER EVENTS
SUBJECT TO APPROVAL. THESE
OFFERINGS WILL MAKE THE SPACE
MORE WELCOMING AND INCLUSIVE FOR
A BROAD RANGE OF RESIDENTS. THIS
PARTNERSHIP ENSURES THE GREEN
LAKE PITCH & PUTT REMAINS A
WELCOMING, ACCESSIBLE AND
WELL-MAINTAINED COMMUNITY SPACE.
WE ARE CONFIDENT THIS AGREEMENT
STRENGTHENS OUR LONG-TERM GOALS
FOR EQUITY, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
AND STEWARDSHIP OF OUR PARK
RESOURCES. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT
THIS TIME.
>> THANK YOU, KATHLEEN. I DON'T
KNOW IF CHRISTOPHER HAS ANYTHING
AS WELL.
>> I THINK KATHLEEN NAILED IT.
>> AWESOME. YOU DID. I ALSO
WANTED TO DEFER TO COUNCILMEMBER
STRAUSS. THIS IS IN YOUR
DISTRICT. I GOT THE BOUNDARIES
RIGHT.
>> INDEED. LOVE PITCH & PUTT ,
INCORRECTLY CALLED PUTT PUTT
DURING THE GOLF DISCUSSIONS.
COLLEAGUES, I WANT TO SHARE,
COMPARED TO THE LAST CONCESSION
AGREEMENT WE SAW JUST A COUPLE
MINUTES AGO THE DID HAVE A CPI ,
THIS ONE DOES NOT. I AM OKAY
WITH THAT. I AM FLACKING THAT
FOR YOU AS WE GET INTO THE
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT AMENDMENTS AT
THE NEXT COMMITTEE. I THINK THIS
IS A FAIR AGREEMENT. COLLEAGUES,
SOMETHING HE MAY ALSO NOT KNOW
IS THAT WHEN I TOOK OFFICE,
THERE WAS NOT A WALKING PATH
AROUND THE EXTERIOR OF THE PITCH
& PUTT. AND SO, WE WERE FORCING
PEOPLE TO WALK IN AND
UNMAINTAINED SHOULDER OF THE
ROAD TO GET FROM THE PARKING LOT
TO THE FRONT DOOR OF PITCH &
PUTT. WITH THE HELP OF PARKS
DEPARTMENT AND SDOT, WE WERE
ABLE TO CREATE THAT BOUNDARY
WALKWAY ALL AROUND -- ALL THE
WAY AROUND THE PITCH & PUTT.
YES, THERE'S ALREADY A
WALKABOUT PASS FOR GREENLEE, BUT
FOR THE SPECIFIC PITCH & PUTT,
WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE THAT
WALKING PATH. JUST WANT TO SAY
THINGS. I'M READY TO VOTE ON
THIS, IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT TO
VOTE TODAY. I GUESS MY ONLY -- I
DON'T THINK YOU WERE INTENDING
TO SAY I WAS AN UNSKILLED
GOLFER, BUT [ OVERLAPPING
SPEAKERS ]
>> GIVE ME A GOLF CLUB. I AM NOT
SURE WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
>> BACK TO YOU, SHARE.
>> AWESOME. THANK YOU, COUNCIL
MEMBER STRAUSS. COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA? COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE ,
COUNCIL PRESIDENT NELSON, IF YOU
HAVE QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER
KETTLE.
>> NO QUESTIONS. ALTHOUGH I
APPRECIATE THE INVITATION TO
SWING BY. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE
ONE LAST THING. I WILL SAVE IT
FOR THE OTHER BUSINESS.
>> THANK YOU. COMMITTEE MEMBERS,
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL FEEL
COMFORTABLE WITH VOTING ON THIS
. I DO. I KNOW COUNCILMEMBER
STRAUSS DOES. I'M GETTING
THUMBS UP. AWESOME. GREAT. I AM
GOING TO MOVE THAT THE COMMITTEE
RECOMMENDS ADOPTING COUNCIL BILL
12100 -- 12103 IT. IS THERE A
SECOND QUEST SECOND.
>> MOVED AND SECONDED TO
RECOMMEND THE PASSAGE OF THE
BILL. THERE THAT I DON'T KNOW
IF THERE ARE FURTHER COMMENTS. I
WILL STOP AND LOOK. WE ARE GOOD.
AWESOME. WE CAN GO AHEAD. PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL.
>> PUTT PUTT -- [ ROLL CALL ]
FOUR IN FAVOR, NONE OPPOSED.
>> AWESOME. THE MOTION CARRIES.
THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION
WILL BE SENT TO TUESDAY, JULY
29, 2025 . THANK YOU, KATHLEEN,
THANK YOU, CHRISTOPHER WILLIAMS.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING
HERE. COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST
WANTED TO NOTE BEFORE OUR GUESTS
LEAVE THAT , AS YOU KNOW, IT
ALWAYS COMES BACK TO PUBLIC
SAFETY FOR ME. I WAS GOING TO
ASK A QUESTION ABOUT GOLDEN
GARDENS, BUT THAT IS ONE TYPE OF
PUBLIC SAFETY. THERE IS ANOTHER
PART OF PUBLIC SAFETY RELATED TO
PARKS. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS,
WHY WAS LETTER A AND AFRAID TO
GO TO THE PARK?
>> I AM STUMPED.
>> BECAUSE HE THOUGHT B WAS
FOLLOWING IT.
>> DON'T QUIT YOUR DAY JOB.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU,
COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE. THANK YOU,
KATHLEEN AND CHRISTOPHER. PEOPLE
ON THE SEATTLE CHANNEL ARE
PROBABLY LIKE, GET THEM OFF THE
STAGE. WHERE IS THE SANDMAN
COMING AT THE APOLLO THEATER
WITH THE LINE AND HOOK? THANK
YOU, EVERYONE. WITH THAT, WE
HAVE NO OTHER ITEMS FOR TODAY'S
AGENDA. IF THERE IS NO FURTHER
BUSINESS FOR THE MEETING, WE
WILL ADJOURN. THIS IS GOING TO
CONCLUDE OUR JULY 23 MEETING OF
PARKS, PUBLIC UTILITIES,
TECHNOLOGY. THE NEXT MEETING,
JUST FOR YOUR AWARENESS, AND LET
YOUR OFFICE KNOW, WE HAVE A
PRETTY HEFTY AGENDA FOR AUGUST
13 AT 2:00 P.M. BEFORE WE GO
INTO COUNCIL RECESS. IT WILL BE
PRETTY JAMPACKED.